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	Comments on: The Jones and Yarhouse study: What does it mean?	</title>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In addition, at least one participant with whom I&#039;ve spoken at length indicated that they strongly inferred from the researchers that the results of this study would help &quot;struggling Christians&quot; and therefore a positive outcome would be preferred.&quot;  &lt;/blockquote&gt;Spot on.  And that was true when E. Mansell Pattison did &quot;research&quot; on the same subject back in the day.  He interviewed 33 pre-selected Exodus subjects who sincerely felt it was their Christian duty to &quot;convey the hope of change&quot;.  By &quot;proclaiming&quot; it, they were helping to make it happen.  &quot;As a man speaks, so is he&quot; was the basic idea.  Except that when it came to sexual reorientation, we were dead wrong.
Gary and I were two of the eleven described by Pattiston as having made &quot;significant change&quot; in our orientation.  He concluded this because we were both heterosexually married -- and because we minimized just how strong the &quot;same sex attractions&quot; still were.  I know for a fact that the remaining nine subject with &quot;siginificant change&quot; were also giving overly positive reports.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;In addition, at least one participant with whom I&#8217;ve spoken at length indicated that they strongly inferred from the researchers that the results of this study would help &#8220;struggling Christians&#8221; and therefore a positive outcome would be preferred.&#8221;  </p></blockquote>
<p>Spot on.  And that was true when E. Mansell Pattison did &#8220;research&#8221; on the same subject back in the day.  He interviewed 33 pre-selected Exodus subjects who sincerely felt it was their Christian duty to &#8220;convey the hope of change&#8221;.  By &#8220;proclaiming&#8221; it, they were helping to make it happen.  &#8220;As a man speaks, so is he&#8221; was the basic idea.  Except that when it came to sexual reorientation, we were dead wrong.<br />
Gary and I were two of the eleven described by Pattiston as having made &#8220;significant change&#8221; in our orientation.  He concluded this because we were both heterosexually married &#8212; and because we minimized just how strong the &#8220;same sex attractions&#8221; still were.  I know for a fact that the remaining nine subject with &#8220;siginificant change&#8221; were also giving overly positive reports.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 22:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/10/27/the-jones-and-yarhouse-study-what-does-it-mean/#comment-89706&quot;&gt;MgS&lt;/a&gt;.

MgS - I agree which I why I wrote about bisexuality in the post. Ex-gay studies in general have not taken this into account in a way that reflects the experience of the people involved, imo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/10/27/the-jones-and-yarhouse-study-what-does-it-mean/#comment-89706">MgS</a>.</p>
<p>MgS &#8211; I agree which I why I wrote about bisexuality in the post. Ex-gay studies in general have not taken this into account in a way that reflects the experience of the people involved, imo.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;These subjects were, after all, Christians who felt strongly about the &quot;wrongness&quot; of homosexuality, were participating long-term in ex-gay ministries and would naturally have felt a sense of what this study might mean to their &quot;cause.&quot; And frankly, I think any of us who call ourselves Christian &#8212; especially those of us who have Charismatic backgrounds &#8212; can understand the intensity and certainty of believing in one&#039;s &quot;healing.&quot; This could easily cause a subject to enthusiastically report change that has not in fact occurred.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is my anecdotal experience from a Charismatic setting as well.  I have not found this &quot;healing&quot; pressure in non-fundamentalist settings among Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians and Latter-Day Saints.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>These subjects were, after all, Christians who felt strongly about the &#8220;wrongness&#8221; of homosexuality, were participating long-term in ex-gay ministries and would naturally have felt a sense of what this study might mean to their &#8220;cause.&#8221; And frankly, I think any of us who call ourselves Christian &#8212; especially those of us who have Charismatic backgrounds &#8212; can understand the intensity and certainty of believing in one&#8217;s &#8220;healing.&#8221; This could easily cause a subject to enthusiastically report change that has not in fact occurred.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is my anecdotal experience from a Charismatic setting as well.  I have not found this &#8220;healing&#8221; pressure in non-fundamentalist settings among Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians and Latter-Day Saints.</p>
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		By: MgS		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren,
If one views sexual orientation (but one axis of sexuality overall) as occurring on a spectrum between heterosexual and homosexual (recognizing that there may well be multiple axis at play in each individual), would it not make more sense to interpret the results of Jones / Yarhouse&#039;s work as reflecting that there is a degree of bisexuality in the population than has been acknowledged previously?
Consider that most people can shift within their sexual orientation to some degree or another, but tend to remain overall &quot;in a zone&quot;, whether that is primarily heterosexual or homosexual is moot.  (I think of this as a &quot;anchor with an elastic tether&quot; kind of model)
In other words, chances are that most of those who described change in their sexual orientation/behaviour patterns are in fact to varying degrees bisexual, even if they had not acknowledged it.  Let&#039;s face it our society has very strong social proscriptions against male bisexuality, and I believe this has artificially polarized the male world into a hetero/homo sexual dichotomy.
It strikes me as a much simpler way of understanding their results.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,<br />
If one views sexual orientation (but one axis of sexuality overall) as occurring on a spectrum between heterosexual and homosexual (recognizing that there may well be multiple axis at play in each individual), would it not make more sense to interpret the results of Jones / Yarhouse&#8217;s work as reflecting that there is a degree of bisexuality in the population than has been acknowledged previously?<br />
Consider that most people can shift within their sexual orientation to some degree or another, but tend to remain overall &#8220;in a zone&#8221;, whether that is primarily heterosexual or homosexual is moot.  (I think of this as a &#8220;anchor with an elastic tether&#8221; kind of model)<br />
In other words, chances are that most of those who described change in their sexual orientation/behaviour patterns are in fact to varying degrees bisexual, even if they had not acknowledged it.  Let&#8217;s face it our society has very strong social proscriptions against male bisexuality, and I believe this has artificially polarized the male world into a hetero/homo sexual dichotomy.<br />
It strikes me as a much simpler way of understanding their results.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do try and stay on topic, let&#039; see if maybe I can twist this into being on topic... This study gives ammunition to groups who claim that sexual minorities  need no civil protections as they can simply change to heterosexual. Viola! Individuals are then given cover to discriminate against sexual minorities and taken to the extreme actually assault them as this video in an Ohio classroom demonstrates.
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/10/ohiobully.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do try and stay on topic, let&#8217; see if maybe I can twist this into being on topic&#8230; This study gives ammunition to groups who claim that sexual minorities  need no civil protections as they can simply change to heterosexual. Viola! Individuals are then given cover to discriminate against sexual minorities and taken to the extreme actually assault them as this video in an Ohio classroom demonstrates.<br />
<a href="http://www.towleroad.com/2011/10/ohiobully.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.towleroad.com/2011/10/ohiobully.html</a></p>
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