Comments on: Things get ugly in Illinois

By: Frank

Frank — Wed, 30 May 2018 21:28:34 +0000

Dear Sainted Straight Grandmother writes:
“…10LBS of Black Angus tenderloin down the pants.”
That image probably set back someone’s reparative therapy. 😉

By: StraightGrandmother

StraightGrandmother — Wed, 30 May 2018 21:28:34 +0000

Carol,
Apparently we simply have a difference of opinion. I believe a person’s circumstance and background matter during sentencing. A 16 year old who steals from the grocery store because there is no food in the house and he is literally starving should get a different sentence than the man who stuffed 10LB of Black Angus tenderloin down his pants and tried to walk out. Isn’t this kind of the object of having Judges determine a sentence whereby they look at all the facts, including the background and circumstances of the guilty party? Otherwise we could simply codify sentencing an write a computer algorithm to spit out the sentence.
I guess you are in favor of handing down the same punishment to the 10LBS of Black Angus tenderloin down the pants as the starving teenager. I am not in favor of equal punishment, both stole from the grocery store, but the why they did it is different. The starving teenager should be punished but the punishment should not be as harsh as for 10LBS of Black Angus tenderloin down the pants.

By: carole

carole — Wed, 30 May 2018 21:28:34 +0000

Straight G,
Yes, a big difference of opinion. Yes, judges have discretion over many things (addressed in my first post).

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 21:28:33 +0000

Anyway, on a happier note, it does seem as if things might have got slightly less ugly in Geneva (at the UN): http://madikazemi.blogspot.com/2011/10/did-un-just-get-lgbt-rights-concession.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SaveMehdiKazemi+%28LGBT+asylum+news%29

By: StraightGrandmother

StraightGrandmother — Wed, 30 May 2018 21:04:51 +0000

Yes, Richard W. your English Reserve comes through. 😉

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:22 +0000

There was a case in the UK of a ‘pastor’ who help up a sign in public saying that homosexuality was wrong. He was prosecuted and subsequently acquitted. Who was the ‘star witness’ for the defence? None other than the well-known gay rights activist Peter Tatchell! Tatchell testified that the ‘pastor’ had the right to express his opinion as long as he did not act in way that promoted hatred.
This case served as an important ‘test case’ in the field of hate speech.
Meanwhile: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23922083-huge-rise-in-anti-gay-attacks-sparks-call-to-fight-hate-crime.do

By: Ken

Ken — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:22 +0000

sam# ~ Oct 20, 2011 at 2:03 am
“why do members of the gay community need to resort to physical violence?”
How do you know the person (or people) responsible for the vandalism are gay?
“And why the society need to turn a blind eye to it?”
Who is turning a blind eye to this incident? While I do think gay rights orgs should condemn this violence, and I’m disappointed I haven’t seen more of them do so (although many people on this blog have done that, as do I), I have heard nothing about the police treating this any differently than any other vandalism.
“When was the last time evangelical Christians threw bricks at gay pride parades?”
How about last Tues. 10/18:
Not at parade, but I think this qualifies:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/10/18/1577764/vandals-deface-ncsus-gay-lesbian.html
Or perhaps this one:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=12078413
And it wouldn’t be hard to come up with other examples as well. Now granted there is no proof that it was “evangelical christians”, but then there is no proof it was gay activists who broke the window at Christian Liberty Academy either. But it is likely that the perpetrators were christians, given the high percentage of them in the US. Although in the 2nd case they were more likely mormon, which some people don’t consider christian.

By: StraightGrandmother

StraightGrandmother — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:22 +0000

I wonder if… if, if if, this is a false flag, if this isn’t a ploy to get a video on Maggie Gallagher’s new, “I’m a Christian Victim” website (I am not going to link if you want to see it you will have to look it up yourself grrrr). That BoxTurtleBulletin article is making more and more sense to me, I have been percolating it for a several hours.

By: sam

sam — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:22 +0000

Richard,
I understand that in the UK, there is a different attitude regarding what is considered a free speech and hate speech than it is here in America. Of course, your laws are different from ours. I was just sharing my perspective on things from an American mindset, which, of course, you and I won’t always agree.
Dave,
I think you’re missing my point. Even though, you’re right: so far, all the cases where free speech and conscience of Christians in America over the issue of homosexuality were under attack, have eventually won in their favor, the movement of potlitcal gay lobby wanting to silence the Christians is still going on. The reason why this movement hasn’t won yet, because we still have First Amendment and because evangelical activists, who you mostly see as spinners and liars, still keep on talking. I think their activism is the reason why we stil have First Amendment in place. That’s my point.
Now, let’s get back to the issue at hand. Scott Lively and AFTAH were holding a meeting, and members of Gay Libernation Network have assaulted them by throwing bricks in their windows. Btw, GLN has a repuation for being extremist, not a representaive of all gay community. GLN has claimed responsibility for that, not only per WND account. Scott Lively has pointed out some truth in his book that offended may people, during the early development of the Nazi Party, many homosexuals were in it. For example, Hitler’s best friend and cofounder of the Nazi German Army, Ernst Rohm was avowed homosexual. But, even if Lively is lying and spinning, what does violence and intimidation towards him going to accomplish? Also, why is it wrong to call upon those attackers? Perhaps, because of PC. Well, in my book, being PC is lousy political spin.

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:22 +0000

Got me, Richard. One of those!
But the wording of that press release was strange. And I would have listed the actual problems with Lively – were it from me. But since those problems are real I can see why someone would not want to include them in the PR if they were from the other side.