Comments on: Former Love in Action Director: I’ve never met a man who experienced a change from homosexual to heterosexual

By: Warren

Warren — Wed, 30 May 2018 22:44:04 +0000

In reply to Shawn. Shawn - Shifts along a bisexual continuum are not insignificant, nor are they worthless. I don't know why you would think that given everything else I have written here. See again this article for an example of how this can go within the congruence paradigm. Pursuing relational and spiritual goals could clearly bring about changes of various sorts. However, it infrequently leads to changes in attraction that could be labeled categorical. When you bring in behaviors, you are overgeneralizing what I and others are saying. No one said SSA people cannot alter their actions.

By: StraightGrandmother

StraightGrandmother — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:14:32 +0000

From time to time I check back on John Smid (who I was never aware of thx Warren for another chapter in my education) which I do by checking out his Grace Rivers blog. If you read his blog articles he says he is a real people pleaser, he wants people to like him and he says he also can get defensive and he is working on that. This is what he says about himself in his writings. Every now and then I check back on him which I did a few days ago. Pls keep in mind I don’t have an ax to grind I never even hear of the man until this article.
I read his latest blog article on how he wants to now create a ministry to bring sexual minorities to Christ. So I am following along and read this from the article-

We have it in mind to explore a third voice regarding ministry with the gay community:
Neither a voice of condemnation
Nor a voice of permissiveness;

I commented on his article and asked that he define

Nor a voice of permissiveness

As we all understand what a voice of condemnation is, what is this “permissiveness” he is referencing.
I also suggested that he buy John Shore’s new book “Pigs with Wings” which was a collection of letters written to John Shore from sexual minorities and their torment with religion. And then John Shore intersperses the letters with his religious beliefs. I suggested to John Smid that he buy the $10 Kindle Book (Kindle has a free app to read Kindle Books on your computer) because it looked to me like John Shore is already reaching Smid’s target demographic, look at all the letters he got.
There was nothing attacking in my comment at all, only asking for clarification on what “Permissive” is and my recommendation of a book I thought would help John Smid. Guess what? He pulled my comment. Okay okay we all need to keep a very close eye now on John Smid, because if my comment was pulled, and it was, something is not kosher here. He is starting to remind me of that Richard [cha-ching] Cohen guy
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http://www.gracerivers.com/around-the-world/#comments

By: ken

ken — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:18:12 +0000

Patrocles# ~ Oct 15, 2011 at 9:39 pm
“Both imply that there are no legitime reasons why homosexual men would aspire to be aroused by the opposite gender.”
No, Michael didn’t imply that. He was simply saying the reasons he was familiar with for why gay men wanted to become straight.
“Perhaps, in the narrow mind of the APA liberals, people are to marry only as a result of sexual attraction. Or they have to divorce at the moment sexual attraction disappears. ”
If you had been paying attention to SGM’s comments, you would see that the reason most of those mixed orientation marriages failed was because of same-sex cheating by the gay spouse. It isn’t simply that the spouse no longer has any attraction, but in fact attracted to other (same-gender) people.
“And psychologists should adapt to people’s legitimate wishes, people shouldn’t adapt their wishes to the psychologists’ ideas.”
Only if the client’s wishes are realistically attainable and not likely to harm the client (or someone else).

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:18:12 +0000

Patro-

Thereafter follow a lot of hypothetical reasons and a quotation from the APA. Both imply that there are no legitime reasons why homosexual men would aspire to be aroused by the opposite gender.

Makes me wonder if there are heterosexual men who would aspire to being aroused by the same sex?

But that’s nonsense. In fact, as the Straight Grandmother showed, gay men may – as well as impotent straight men – wish to maintain or improve a marriage.

Are you talking about same-sex or opposite-sex marriages here?

By: Shawn

Shawn — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:18:12 +0000

Teresa …

However, Shawn, you know this issue is very personal, and very sensitive. No one has said your choice is wrong, for you. The caveat is the seeming ‘implication’ in your ‘ministry’ that everyone will be able to attain what you have. Everyone who develops a relationship with God, will be transformed and ‘changed’ like you, and be able to accomplish what you have.
Isn’t that what you were saying? Isn’t that what your life story, and ministry is all about? If not, if what I’ve just stated is not what you meant, and you care to comment further; please, please disabuse us of our wrong notions.

I encourage you to check out a piece I wrote about change on my blog: http://six11.wordpress.com/youth-workers/glbt/the-change-question/.
Even on this post, I have never said that the end result for every gay person is to have a story like mine. Change happens in different ways for different people. My whole goal in ministry is to help people reconnect with their Father God; to help them see themselves as He sees them – His child. That’s it. This is my goal for Six:11, this is my goal for the students I pastor, this is my goal for my family and this is my personal goal.
And, I’m sorry, but when you say “No one has said your choice is wrong, for you” … many of you have said that. My marriage is sham … my testimony is a sham … it’s a matter of time before I’m divorced … I should have never married my wife … look at the harm I’ve brought on to my wife and kids, cause statistically, my marriage won’t last much longer … etc. Really? My marriage and my life are being matched up to a bunch of numbers? You all know me that well to make such predications?
Yes, this is a personal and touchy issue. I just thought if you gave compassion to others, it would be returned to you in the same manner.