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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/09/21/suicide-victim-endured-anti-gay-bullying/#comment-95148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[LOL. My comments do not deny the reality of anti-gay bullying; they are an invitation to consider that there might be an even bigger picture where kids, even kids who would one day identify as gay, are bullied--just as hurtfully--deserving just as much concern and compassion. The age at which this victim was already in psychological care with suicidal thoughts, if those thoughts were inspired by bullying, would indicate, if the boy had normal resilience, that he had experienced MAJOR bullying at an age where he and his bullies were likely pre-puberty. Forgive me that I thought that aspect merited some thoughtful examination. You may now return to your &#039;one note&#039; discussion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. My comments do not deny the reality of anti-gay bullying; they are an invitation to consider that there might be an even bigger picture where kids, even kids who would one day identify as gay, are bullied&#8211;just as hurtfully&#8211;deserving just as much concern and compassion. The age at which this victim was already in psychological care with suicidal thoughts, if those thoughts were inspired by bullying, would indicate, if the boy had normal resilience, that he had experienced MAJOR bullying at an age where he and his bullies were likely pre-puberty. Forgive me that I thought that aspect merited some thoughtful examination. You may now return to your &#8216;one note&#8217; discussion.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/09/21/suicide-victim-endured-anti-gay-bullying/#comment-92069</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Patrocles.......&lt;/strong&gt;  first, I think that most little boys are attracted to masculinity but only a part of them has that attraction &quot;sexualized&quot; later on. So, memories of early SSA may be erroneous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You may wish to believe it but I have talked with many a gay man who has said they understood something was different about themselves as early as age 5 only to understand that once puberty kicked in.
I don&#039;t think you remember such a thing wrongly in your life because you easily recognize that it sets you apart from the greater part of males.
&lt;blockquote&gt;At fourth, I&#039;m definitely a conservative. In a small way, I want to to conservate traditional masculinity as one of the most charming and attractive traits in humanity. But mostly, I want to conservate freedom of speech - once the glory of the United States, thereafter apparently the glory of the &quot;western world&quot;, then ridiculed and shunned by the &quot;cultural marxists&quot;, until most people have forgotten why it was intitutionalized at all. And I&#039;m definitely against any anti-bullying campaigning which hasn&#039;t a clear and robust preconception  about the uses and the importance of freedom of speech.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So are you saying that a child&#039;s right to free speech should preclude learning a lesson about socially acceptable forms of interaction?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Patrocles&#8230;&#8230;.</strong>  first, I think that most little boys are attracted to masculinity but only a part of them has that attraction &#8220;sexualized&#8221; later on. So, memories of early SSA may be erroneous.</p></blockquote>
<p>You may wish to believe it but I have talked with many a gay man who has said they understood something was different about themselves as early as age 5 only to understand that once puberty kicked in.<br />
I don&#8217;t think you remember such a thing wrongly in your life because you easily recognize that it sets you apart from the greater part of males.</p>
<blockquote><p>At fourth, I&#8217;m definitely a conservative. In a small way, I want to to conservate traditional masculinity as one of the most charming and attractive traits in humanity. But mostly, I want to conservate freedom of speech &#8211; once the glory of the United States, thereafter apparently the glory of the &#8220;western world&#8221;, then ridiculed and shunned by the &#8220;cultural marxists&#8221;, until most people have forgotten why it was intitutionalized at all. And I&#8217;m definitely against any anti-bullying campaigning which hasn&#8217;t a clear and robust preconception  about the uses and the importance of freedom of speech.</p></blockquote>
<p>So are you saying that a child&#8217;s right to free speech should preclude learning a lesson about socially acceptable forms of interaction?</p>
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		By: Emily K		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/09/21/suicide-victim-endured-anti-gay-bullying/#comment-92066</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t matter if this boy was gay or not. He was bullied for being PERCEIVED as gay. This should tell Christian conservatives that there is an absolute NEED for anti-bullying measures.
Even the straight kids are victims here.
How is this not getting an unequivocal response of support? Why is it bullying for being gay is the only thing where people get wishy-washy? This affects all kids, gay and straight.
There was an incident a couple of years ago when two (STRAIGHT) brothers were expressing physical affection to each other, as was typical in their home country (I forget where, it was in South America) and they were brutally assaulted because the attacker thought they were a gay couple. One died from his injuries.
Hatred for gays affects anyone of any sexual orientation.
Besides, I&#039;d rather not live in a world where &quot;masculinity&quot; is equated with coldness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if this boy was gay or not. He was bullied for being PERCEIVED as gay. This should tell Christian conservatives that there is an absolute NEED for anti-bullying measures.<br />
Even the straight kids are victims here.<br />
How is this not getting an unequivocal response of support? Why is it bullying for being gay is the only thing where people get wishy-washy? This affects all kids, gay and straight.<br />
There was an incident a couple of years ago when two (STRAIGHT) brothers were expressing physical affection to each other, as was typical in their home country (I forget where, it was in South America) and they were brutally assaulted because the attacker thought they were a gay couple. One died from his injuries.<br />
Hatred for gays affects anyone of any sexual orientation.<br />
Besides, I&#8217;d rather not live in a world where &#8220;masculinity&#8221; is equated with coldness.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/09/21/suicide-victim-endured-anti-gay-bullying/#comment-91942</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddy,
&lt;blockquote&gt;when he was 10 or 11. Did you realize that you were &#039;erotically turned on&#039; by people of your own gender at that age? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
By 11, yes!
It strikes me as incredibly sad and tragic that we can&#039;t seem to come together on this issue.  Kids who are gay are killing themselves due to bullying they receive because of their orientation, and some who are not gay but are suffering bullying because they are perceived as gay  and are killing themselves as a result - yet the conservative Christians want to forbid any speech that they don&#039;t like regarding gay bullying.  They have much for which to answer!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<blockquote><p>when he was 10 or 11. Did you realize that you were &#8216;erotically turned on&#8217; by people of your own gender at that age? </p></blockquote>
<p>By 11, yes!<br />
It strikes me as incredibly sad and tragic that we can&#8217;t seem to come together on this issue.  Kids who are gay are killing themselves due to bullying they receive because of their orientation, and some who are not gay but are suffering bullying because they are perceived as gay  and are killing themselves as a result &#8211; yet the conservative Christians want to forbid any speech that they don&#8217;t like regarding gay bullying.  They have much for which to answer!</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/09/21/suicide-victim-endured-anti-gay-bullying/#comment-91943</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Patrocles -
&lt;blockquote&gt;first, I think that most little boys are attracted to masculinity but only a part of them has that attraction &quot;sexualized&quot; later on. So, memories of early SSA may be erroneous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What does this mean in your world?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrocles &#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>first, I think that most little boys are attracted to masculinity but only a part of them has that attraction &#8220;sexualized&#8221; later on. So, memories of early SSA may be erroneous.</p></blockquote>
<p>What does this mean in your world?</p>
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		By: Patrocles		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/09/21/suicide-victim-endured-anti-gay-bullying/#comment-91947</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrocles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some ideas,
 first, I think that most little boys are attracted to masculinity but only a part of them has that attraction &quot;sexualized&quot; later on. So, memories of early SSA may be erroneous.
Secondly, I appreciate the cautious way Warren has spoken over harassment in which &quot;gay&quot; is used as a tool (which isn&#039;t the same like harassment out of homophobia).
Thirdly I&#039;m quite positive, nearly enthusiastical about the &quot;Golden Pledge&quot; movement which is the right thing to do (if broadly used and not only for gays).
At fourth, I&#039;m definitely a conservative. In a small way, I want to to conservate traditional masculinity as one of the most charming and attractive traits in humanity. But mostly, I want to conservate freedom of speech - once the glory of the United States, thereafter apparently the glory of the &quot;western world&quot;, then ridiculed and shunned by the &quot;cultural marxists&quot;, until most people have forgotten why it was intitutionalized at all. And I&#039;m definitely against any anti-bullying campaigning which hasn&#039;t a clear and robust preconception  about the uses and the importance of freedom of speech.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some ideas,<br />
 first, I think that most little boys are attracted to masculinity but only a part of them has that attraction &#8220;sexualized&#8221; later on. So, memories of early SSA may be erroneous.<br />
Secondly, I appreciate the cautious way Warren has spoken over harassment in which &#8220;gay&#8221; is used as a tool (which isn&#8217;t the same like harassment out of homophobia).<br />
Thirdly I&#8217;m quite positive, nearly enthusiastical about the &#8220;Golden Pledge&#8221; movement which is the right thing to do (if broadly used and not only for gays).<br />
At fourth, I&#8217;m definitely a conservative. In a small way, I want to to conservate traditional masculinity as one of the most charming and attractive traits in humanity. But mostly, I want to conservate freedom of speech &#8211; once the glory of the United States, thereafter apparently the glory of the &#8220;western world&#8221;, then ridiculed and shunned by the &#8220;cultural marxists&#8221;, until most people have forgotten why it was intitutionalized at all. And I&#8217;m definitely against any anti-bullying campaigning which hasn&#8217;t a clear and robust preconception  about the uses and the importance of freedom of speech.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/09/21/suicide-victim-endured-anti-gay-bullying/#comment-91429</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Update on Jonah Mowry, the gay teen who posted the video about the pain he was experiencing when he made his first video.  &quot;It gets better and you can be happy...&quot;
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FGMA%2Fvideo%2Fbullied-teen-jonah-mowry-happy-15120338%3Ftab%3D9482931%26section%3D1206833&#038;h=OAQGV5w3FAQEccJICRX4s1HC4gIaDZsZicCv7e9vEIJhhhQ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on Jonah Mowry, the gay teen who posted the video about the pain he was experiencing when he made his first video.  &#8220;It gets better and you can be happy&#8230;&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FGMA%2Fvideo%2Fbullied-teen-jonah-mowry-happy-15120338%3Ftab%3D9482931%26section%3D1206833&#038;h=OAQGV5w3FAQEccJICRX4s1HC4gIaDZsZicCv7e9vEIJhhhQ" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FGMA%2Fvideo%2Fbullied-teen-jonah-mowry-happy-15120338%3Ftab%3D9482931%26section%3D1206833&#038;h=OAQGV5w3FAQEccJICRX4s1HC4gIaDZsZicCv7e9vEIJhhhQ</a></p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/09/21/suicide-victim-endured-anti-gay-bullying/#comment-91147</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robyn,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Lets hope things move quickly and good results are seen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hear, Hear!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robyn,</p>
<blockquote><p>Lets hope things move quickly and good results are seen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hear, Hear!</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the link, above:  &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Jamey spoke openly to his parents about the bullying he endured as a sixth- and seventh-grader at Heim Middle School, but became more withdrawn about it when he entered high school, according to his parents. One of his last online posts, discovered by his parents after his death, read, &quot;I always say how bullied I am, but no one listens. What do I have to do so that people will listen to me?&#039;&#039; &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the link, above:  </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Jamey spoke openly to his parents about the bullying he endured as a sixth- and seventh-grader at Heim Middle School, but became more withdrawn about it when he entered high school, according to his parents. One of his last online posts, discovered by his parents after his death, read, &#8220;I always say how bullied I am, but no one listens. What do I have to do so that people will listen to me?&#8221; </p></blockquote>
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		By: Robyn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for sending links.
HB 1942 seems to offer much.  It is a preventative approach, with policies that improve peer relations.  It calls for meaningful intervention, clear rules, and most important of all...support and protection for victims.
Lets hope things move quickly and good results are seen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sending links.<br />
HB 1942 seems to offer much.  It is a preventative approach, with policies that improve peer relations.  It calls for meaningful intervention, clear rules, and most important of all&#8230;support and protection for victims.<br />
Lets hope things move quickly and good results are seen.</p>
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