Comments on: David Barton again defends Glenn Beck as a Christian

By: ken

ken — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:27:03 +0000

Frank# ~ Sep 13, 2011 at 8:00 pm
“isn’t this like having your intellectualism defended by Paris Hilton?”
I liked this. Although if it came to a choice, I’d rather be defended by Paris Hilton 🙂

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:27:01 +0000

If Glenn Beck said that he believes that Jesus is his savior, then it’s no different then a Christian saying the same thing. It amazes me that Christians don’t like when people who are Mormon, say things that a Christian says and then they say that the other one “poisons” it. You people are so funny saying the grass isn’t greener on the other side and then saying something completely different when you feel like it.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:01:52 +0000

In reply to Richard Willmer.

I’ve taken ‘expert advice’ on this matter from a couple of high-powered theologians. The principal (theology) heresy of Mormonism is indeed ‘Subordinationism’ (the idea that ‘the Son of God’ and ‘the Holy Spirit’ are in nature / essence subordinate to ‘God the Father’); Christian orthodoxy states (and here is the formula presented in the Mass on the Solemnity of the Most Holy Trinity):
“It is truly right and just, our duty and our salvation,
always and everywhere to give you thanks,
Lord, holy Father, almighty and eternal God.
For with your Only Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit
you are one God, one Lord:
not in the unity of a single person,
but in a Trinity of one substance.
For what you have revealed to us of your glory
we believe equally of your Son
and of the Holy Spirit,
so that, in the confessing of the true and eternal Godhead,
you might be adored in what is proper to each Person,
their unity in substance,
and their equality in majesty.”

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Tue, 09 Jul 2013 19:48:59 +0000

In reply to ken.

Hmmm.
My understanding is that the Mormon belief doesn’t match with the credal statement that says that Jesus is “consubstantial with the Father”. This is a required ‘belief’ for orthodox Christians. (Many Christians actually don’t [fully] embrace this belief either: for example, they might say that, when Jesus was on the Cross, he was ‘not God’. The Nicene Creed indicates otherwise.)
I would characterize the Mormon concept of the Trinity as being something like God the Father being ‘the Boss’, with the ‘Son of God’ and the ‘Holy Spirit’ as ‘servants of the Father’. The Christian concept is that the Three Persons of the Most Holy Trinity are “equal in majesty and undivided in splendour’, and – absolutely – ONE God. Does that make any sense?
But these ‘technical niceties’ are probably completely unimportant compared with being a ‘person of good will’. 🙂

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:48:59 +0000

In reply to ken.