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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/29/what-would-dominionists-do-with-gays/#comment-94777</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Open Season declared on Trans children
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/gay-slaying-jury.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Season declared on Trans children<br />
<a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/gay-slaying-jury.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/gay-slaying-jury.html</a></p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;it would have to criminalize adultery and premarital sex and not single out homosexuality, he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Comparing adultery and gayism is really stupid. Gayism is not just an immoral issue, it is also an increasingly an international sexual movement led by Westerners who have an agenda to impose it on every country in the world. Unlike gay sex deviants, adulterers and fornicators do not form international movements to press for their behaviour to be accepted and codified into law. They do not press for people who disapprove of their behaviour to be criminalized with stupid laws such as the one that caused a Swedish Pastor to be arrested and sentenced to a month in jail  for criticizing gayism during a church sermon.  All the arguments offered so far to support gayism on this comment thread is ridiculous and an insult to the intelligence of the Ugandan people. Gayism is already a criminal offence and we intend to expand the scope of punishment for it regardless of your protestations. And yes, if you do not like what we are doing, then implore your government to withdraw their useless blackmail money (a.k.a &quot;donor aid packages&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it would have to criminalize adultery and premarital sex and not single out homosexuality, he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Comparing adultery and gayism is really stupid. Gayism is not just an immoral issue, it is also an increasingly an international sexual movement led by Westerners who have an agenda to impose it on every country in the world. Unlike gay sex deviants, adulterers and fornicators do not form international movements to press for their behaviour to be accepted and codified into law. They do not press for people who disapprove of their behaviour to be criminalized with stupid laws such as the one that caused a Swedish Pastor to be arrested and sentenced to a month in jail  for criticizing gayism during a church sermon.  All the arguments offered so far to support gayism on this comment thread is ridiculous and an insult to the intelligence of the Ugandan people. Gayism is already a criminal offence and we intend to expand the scope of punishment for it regardless of your protestations. And yes, if you do not like what we are doing, then implore your government to withdraw their useless blackmail money (a.k.a &#8220;donor aid packages&#8221;)</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[StraightGrandmother - and others - please have a read of this one to see how *I* feel.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/08/if-a-transgender-person-is-murdered-and-no-one-notices-did-it-happen/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If a transgender person is murdered and no one notices, did it happen?&lt;/a&gt;
Then have a look at the comments here if you want to know how many religious people view trans people. We&#039;re lucky if they just want us dead, without being tortured first. And while these are a minority in the US, those who hold such views number in the millions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StraightGrandmother &#8211; and others &#8211; please have a read of this one to see how *I* feel.<br />
<a href="http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/08/if-a-transgender-person-is-murdered-and-no-one-notices-did-it-happen/#comments" rel="nofollow">If a transgender person is murdered and no one notices, did it happen?</a><br />
Then have a look at the comments here if you want to know how many religious people view trans people. We&#8217;re lucky if they just want us dead, without being tortured first. And while these are a minority in the US, those who hold such views number in the millions.</p>
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		By: Edward Manning		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Manning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no question that the theonomists are faithfully adhering to the Holy Bible.  I say that as someone who has studied the works of RJ Rushdoony, the father of theonomy, and has read his seminal work &lt;em&gt;The Institutes of Biblical Law&lt;/em&gt;.
What the reprobate minds of pseudo-Christians like members of NAR cannot grasp is that the implementation of God&#039;s law is not optional.  Enlow may not &quot;endorse&quot; this approach, and Wagner may declare that his &quot;position&quot; that &quot;this is not a good way to do it.&quot;   But their endorsements and positions have absolutely no authority in this matter.  Lev. 20:13 is the authority.  Absent a specific statement in the New Testament prohibiting such the death penalty for homosexuals - and there is none - the penalty remains in effect.  The same goes true for the penalties for adultery, fornication, rape, idolatry, and witchcraft.
However, the total number of Americans who would actually be executed is far less than is generally predicted.  It is simply untrue that a majority of Americans would be put to death.  In practical terms, the kill rate would initially be very high, but would decrease as the general deterrent effect of God&#039;s law took hold.  We chart this as a concave slope, with the x-axis representing the period of time in which God&#039;s law is in effect and the y-axis as the total number of death sentences issued.
Significantly, the theonomist legal structure would not be imposed retroactively, so sinning Americans would be on notice to get their affairs set right and cease wrongful activity before the new legal order takes effect.  Obviously, continuing violations, such as a post-divorce &quot;second marriage&quot; that was consummated before the implementation of theonomy, would be subject to the full penalty.  Given both the deterrent effect of public executions and the notice period and absence of retroactivity, it is unlikely that any more than 15-25% of the adult population would actually be put to death.  This is no worse than the the mortality rate for plagues in ancient times.  The difference is that while ancient societies incurred such a toll as the result of disease, the deaths resulting from the implementation of God&#039;s Word would be curative for society as a whole.
As Rusdoony teaches, Christians are called to obey God and God&#039;s Word.  Our own judgments and sentimental impulses do not supersede the Bible.  Ultimately, even the non-Christian would rejoice to live under a legal system founded on God&#039;s Word.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no question that the theonomists are faithfully adhering to the Holy Bible.  I say that as someone who has studied the works of RJ Rushdoony, the father of theonomy, and has read his seminal work <em>The Institutes of Biblical Law</em>.<br />
What the reprobate minds of pseudo-Christians like members of NAR cannot grasp is that the implementation of God&#8217;s law is not optional.  Enlow may not &#8220;endorse&#8221; this approach, and Wagner may declare that his &#8220;position&#8221; that &#8220;this is not a good way to do it.&#8221;   But their endorsements and positions have absolutely no authority in this matter.  Lev. 20:13 is the authority.  Absent a specific statement in the New Testament prohibiting such the death penalty for homosexuals &#8211; and there is none &#8211; the penalty remains in effect.  The same goes true for the penalties for adultery, fornication, rape, idolatry, and witchcraft.<br />
However, the total number of Americans who would actually be executed is far less than is generally predicted.  It is simply untrue that a majority of Americans would be put to death.  In practical terms, the kill rate would initially be very high, but would decrease as the general deterrent effect of God&#8217;s law took hold.  We chart this as a concave slope, with the x-axis representing the period of time in which God&#8217;s law is in effect and the y-axis as the total number of death sentences issued.<br />
Significantly, the theonomist legal structure would not be imposed retroactively, so sinning Americans would be on notice to get their affairs set right and cease wrongful activity before the new legal order takes effect.  Obviously, continuing violations, such as a post-divorce &#8220;second marriage&#8221; that was consummated before the implementation of theonomy, would be subject to the full penalty.  Given both the deterrent effect of public executions and the notice period and absence of retroactivity, it is unlikely that any more than 15-25% of the adult population would actually be put to death.  This is no worse than the the mortality rate for plagues in ancient times.  The difference is that while ancient societies incurred such a toll as the result of disease, the deaths resulting from the implementation of God&#8217;s Word would be curative for society as a whole.<br />
As Rusdoony teaches, Christians are called to obey God and God&#8217;s Word.  Our own judgments and sentimental impulses do not supersede the Bible.  Ultimately, even the non-Christian would rejoice to live under a legal system founded on God&#8217;s Word.</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Based on this line from Wagner:
&lt;blockquote&gt; I would support raising up a national conscience against homosexuality and allowing the Holy Spirit to work that way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I suspect you&#039;re being a bit too generous about NAR being &quot;squeamish&quot; - the line above seems like a veiled reference to extrajudicial mob violence; in other words, Wagner knows it would be politically unpopular to actually *call* for executions, but if some people get lynched that&#039;s not the state&#039;s fault...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on this line from Wagner:</p>
<blockquote><p> I would support raising up a national conscience against homosexuality and allowing the Holy Spirit to work that way.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect you&#8217;re being a bit too generous about NAR being &#8220;squeamish&#8221; &#8211; the line above seems like a veiled reference to extrajudicial mob violence; in other words, Wagner knows it would be politically unpopular to actually *call* for executions, but if some people get lynched that&#8217;s not the state&#8217;s fault&#8230;</p>
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