Comments on: Did the leading association of pediatricians say schools are forcing kids to be gay? https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.2 By: Emily K https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93107 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93107 I think oftentimes “party politics” becomes defined by those who are looking for said politics.
So a scientific organization that concludes homosexuality is not innately harmful, is naturally occurring, and cannot be altered, is labeled “liberal” because apparently only liberals can think such things.

]]> By: Jayhuck https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93101 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93101 Dave G –

This issue has a number of well-structured studies on both sides, some of which, however, propose conclusions not supported by their own data. I also have to compare results to my own academic and counseling experience. I can’t just throw my trust toward any favored group.

I don’t disagree with having a healthy dose of skepticism. For example, I am skeptical of your desire for balance since it seems many of your posts tend to favor small ideological and religious groups that have a well documented history of skewing other peoples’ research to support their own belief systems, not in reporting facts.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93104 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93104 I really can’t think that Barton would have gone on and on about how liberal pediatricians are if he hadn’t gotten AAP confused with ACPeds. And that, of course, was exactly what ACPeds wanted.
So Barton wasn’t lying, necessarily.
However, this does illustrate the beauty of the Big Ten. There the act prohibited was ‘bearing false witness’. And ‘false witness’ is not limited to what you know to be untruthful. Rather, it includes that which you bring witness about.
So whenever a preacher or commentator or “historian” makes a claim of fact, it cannot be based on “gosh I thought”. If he doesn’t know for sure what he’s baring witness to by first hand knowledge, then he’d better find out before he makes that claim.
Barton brought witness of an event. It was false witness. He didn’t know and he didn’t bother to find out. That makes it sin. David Barton sinned against pediatricians, the AAP, and the gay community.
I very much doubt that he’ll care.

]]> By: DAVE G https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93105 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93105 Rather than bashing Barton for his misstatement, I would rather evaluate, scientifically, ACPeds’ position paper on The Teenage Brain –apparently a follow-up to support their letter to superintendents. Much of what they have to say corresponds with my own observations in working with youth.
I really don’t care how few or how many are saying whatever. What matters is “what are the scientifically reliable facts?”

]]> By: Jayhuck https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93102 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93102 Dave G –
So you’re saying you like science when its coming from groups like ACP but not from other places?

]]> By: StraightGrandmother https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93103 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93103 What Bernie said!!!
What is your e-mail address Warren? Is it on this blog somewhere? I get tips I can send you, I read a wide variety of media. In fact I remember reading that letter when it was first mailed out and I cried FOUL. The American College of Pediatricians is astroturf exactly like The National Organization for Marriage is Astroturf. NOM has 5 Big Donors, the rest is astroturf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
It is all smoke and mirrors

]]> By: Lynn David https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93100 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93100 Barton likes his drama.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93099 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93099 Dave G,

I really don’t care how few or how many are saying whatever. What matters is “what are the scientifically reliable facts?”

Okie dokie. Let’s look at their facts
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/05/21620
Oh, but don’t take my word for it. Let’s ask the source of a big chunk of their claims
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/05/21620

]]> By: Frank https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93106 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93106 Does the ACP deliberately represent itself in a way that would encourage the ACP to be confused with the AAP? If so, the AAP needs to get lawyered up and to send a cease and desist order to the ACP.

]]> By: Ken https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/08/bartonacpeds/#comment-93096 Wed, 30 May 2018 20:36:33 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9830#comment-93096 “transient,’ that’s a big word,”
when I read this part I couldn’t help be imagine Barton saying this in an elmo voice:
“transient, that’s a big word. Can you spell “transient”.. t-r-a-n-s…”

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