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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[And it goes on:
Pure Film Creative, a group site run by writer/director James Killough, is offering $10,000 for proof that Marcus Bachmann is gay.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The PFC Pledge:  Before we go any further in trying to transition Marcia into the fold and make her see the error of her ex-gay ways and discard that presidential-hopeful beard, Michele, let me state this: PFC will award $10,000.00 (ten thousand US dollars and zero cents) to any man who has solid, verifiable proof that he has had sex with Marcus Bachmann.  We&#039;ll consider another arrangement if you were just propositioned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it goes on:<br />
Pure Film Creative, a group site run by writer/director James Killough, is offering $10,000 for proof that Marcus Bachmann is gay.</p>
<blockquote><p>The PFC Pledge:  Before we go any further in trying to transition Marcia into the fold and make her see the error of her ex-gay ways and discard that presidential-hopeful beard, Michele, let me state this: PFC will award $10,000.00 (ten thousand US dollars and zero cents) to any man who has solid, verifiable proof that he has had sex with Marcus Bachmann.  We&#8217;ll consider another arrangement if you were just propositioned.</p></blockquote>
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		By: DAVE G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DAVE G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s obvious WQAD wanted to steer Bachman into a discussion of reparative therapy, which is her husband&#039;s business, not her own as a candidate.  Of course, this therapy is controversial and could monopolize the whole discussion (e.g. this blog) and people will just tire of hearing about it. Bachman&#039;s position has already been aired, and there are many other issues people want to hear discussed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s obvious WQAD wanted to steer Bachman into a discussion of reparative therapy, which is her husband&#8217;s business, not her own as a candidate.  Of course, this therapy is controversial and could monopolize the whole discussion (e.g. this blog) and people will just tire of hearing about it. Bachman&#8217;s position has already been aired, and there are many other issues people want to hear discussed.</p>
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		By: Bernie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernie]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Dave, I would be wary of the specious claims that Greg Quinlan puts forth, esp. on a site, that&#039;s run by the odious, vitriolic Peter LaBarbera.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave, I would be wary of the specious claims that Greg Quinlan puts forth, esp. on a site, that&#8217;s run by the odious, vitriolic Peter LaBarbera.</p>
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		By: DAVE G		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/26/bachmann-keeps-the-ex-gay-story-alive/#comment-92199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DAVE G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg Quinlan has an opinion re this media obsession:
Ex-Gay Greg Quinlan Defends Marcus Bachmann&#039;s Right to Counsel Unhappy Homosexuals
http://americansfortruth.com/2011/07/21/ex-gay-greg-quinlan-defends-marcus-bachmanns-right-to-counsel-unhappy-homosexuals/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Quinlan has an opinion re this media obsession:<br />
Ex-Gay Greg Quinlan Defends Marcus Bachmann&#8217;s Right to Counsel Unhappy Homosexuals<br />
<a href="http://americansfortruth.com/2011/07/21/ex-gay-greg-quinlan-defends-marcus-bachmanns-right-to-counsel-unhappy-homosexuals/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://americansfortruth.com/2011/07/21/ex-gay-greg-quinlan-defends-marcus-bachmanns-right-to-counsel-unhappy-homosexuals/</a></p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carole,
&lt;blockquote&gt;The SPLC has done an admirable job in many areas of civil rights over the years. However, I don&#039;t believe one should ever take on faith that all positions of this org. or of any others should be trusted out of hand. In fact, over the years, the SPLC has lost much of its street cred with average American, and yes, with the educated American as well, and I&#039;d argue that this reduction in credibility is not because average Americans are hate-filled.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;ll direct the same question to you.  Do you understand why the SPLC has labeled some of these groups as hate groups?  I don&#039;t see that the SPLC has lost any &quot;street cred&quot; with the average person.  If it has lost it at all it is with fringe groups and their followers who don&#039;t like being placed on the list.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carole,</p>
<blockquote><p>The SPLC has done an admirable job in many areas of civil rights over the years. However, I don&#8217;t believe one should ever take on faith that all positions of this org. or of any others should be trusted out of hand. In fact, over the years, the SPLC has lost much of its street cred with average American, and yes, with the educated American as well, and I&#8217;d argue that this reduction in credibility is not because average Americans are hate-filled.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll direct the same question to you.  Do you understand why the SPLC has labeled some of these groups as hate groups?  I don&#8217;t see that the SPLC has lost any &#8220;street cred&#8221; with the average person.  If it has lost it at all it is with fringe groups and their followers who don&#8217;t like being placed on the list.</p>
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		By: Throbert McGee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throbert McGee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;To me, putting out &quot;ex gay,&quot; heterosexually married poster children like John and Anne Paulk (as Exodus has done) is pretty solidly in &quot;cure cancer with Meatvegavitamin 3000? territory. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Just to extend this quack-medicine analogy, such historic practices as electroshock aversion therapy, as well as the ongoing practice of forcing minors into any form of &quot;ex gay&quot; therapy, might be likened to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laetrile#Laetrile&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;laetrile&lt;/a&gt; -- an &quot;alternative and all-natural&quot; cancer treatment derived from apricot seeds that was not &lt;em&gt;merely useless&lt;/em&gt;, but actually contained enough cyanide to make it actively harmful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To me, putting out &#8220;ex gay,&#8221; heterosexually married poster children like John and Anne Paulk (as Exodus has done) is pretty solidly in &#8220;cure cancer with Meatvegavitamin 3000? territory. </p></blockquote>
<p>Just to extend this quack-medicine analogy, such historic practices as electroshock aversion therapy, as well as the ongoing practice of forcing minors into any form of &#8220;ex gay&#8221; therapy, might be likened to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laetrile#Laetrile" rel="nofollow">laetrile</a> &#8212; an &#8220;alternative and all-natural&#8221; cancer treatment derived from apricot seeds that was not <em>merely useless</em>, but actually contained enough cyanide to make it actively harmful.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StraightGrandmother]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave G is the reason you are amenable to reading information put out by HATE GROUPS because, for the most part, you agree with them?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave G is the reason you are amenable to reading information put out by HATE GROUPS because, for the most part, you agree with them?</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave G -
I think you&#039;re missing the point again.
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Surely, the Bachmann campaign could find something to say about a clinic she once touted as an example of small business creating jobs. Initially, I thought the story might help her with socially conservative Iowa voters. However, now I think the issue serves to expose significant weaknesses in Bachmann as a candidate which the Obama campaign will easily exploit.
Obama will point to her indecision, her lack of transparency, and avoidance of public scrutiny. Never mind that such could also be said for the President. Heavy handed tactics might have worked for the Obama campaign in 2008, but they will alienate GOP voters in 2012. This issue should be a relatively easy one for Bachmann. Bachmann&#039;s stonewalling leave her open to speculation that the clinic is engaged in unprofessional activities or worse. The issue lives on and she has mostly &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave G &#8211;<br />
I think you&#8217;re missing the point again.</p>
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Surely, the Bachmann campaign could find something to say about a clinic she once touted as an example of small business creating jobs. Initially, I thought the story might help her with socially conservative Iowa voters. However, now I think the issue serves to expose significant weaknesses in Bachmann as a candidate which the Obama campaign will easily exploit.<br />
Obama will point to her indecision, her lack of transparency, and avoidance of public scrutiny. Never mind that such could also be said for the President. Heavy handed tactics might have worked for the Obama campaign in 2008, but they will alienate GOP voters in 2012. This issue should be a relatively easy one for Bachmann. Bachmann&#8217;s stonewalling leave her open to speculation that the clinic is engaged in unprofessional activities or worse. The issue lives on and she has mostly </p></blockquote>
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		By: DAVE G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DAVE G]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[SG:
I can also see &quot;HATE GROUP&quot; as prejudiced as &quot;FAG&quot; or &quot;DYKE&quot; --name-calling with a vendetta.  I read (and listen to) whatever side I encounter, mostly to see where they&#039;re coming from, which usually involves their own personal experiences and coping with their current situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG:<br />
I can also see &#8220;HATE GROUP&#8221; as prejudiced as &#8220;FAG&#8221; or &#8220;DYKE&#8221; &#8211;name-calling with a vendetta.  I read (and listen to) whatever side I encounter, mostly to see where they&#8217;re coming from, which usually involves their own personal experiences and coping with their current situation.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mary,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Electric Shock Therapy is still used today in extreme cases of depression and it has worked on some people. Being ex gay is not a myth. And laetrile cannot be compared to these two items.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That is true, I have patients who undergo this therapy on a regular basis, but lets not compare the application of ECT today to the way it was applied to gay men and women where electrodes where applied to hands, genitals and other areas and people were shocked after shown various pictures.  This kind of application can only, in my mind, be described as a form of torture, or perhaps if I were wanting to be generous, brain washing]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<blockquote><p>Electric Shock Therapy is still used today in extreme cases of depression and it has worked on some people. Being ex gay is not a myth. And laetrile cannot be compared to these two items.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is true, I have patients who undergo this therapy on a regular basis, but lets not compare the application of ECT today to the way it was applied to gay men and women where electrodes where applied to hands, genitals and other areas and people were shocked after shown various pictures.  This kind of application can only, in my mind, be described as a form of torture, or perhaps if I were wanting to be generous, brain washing</p>
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