Comments on: New study: Sexual behavior changes but not sexual orientation https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:42:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: StraightGrandmother https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/#comment-95580 Thu, 31 May 2018 01:08:43 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9716#comment-95580 Stephen

This is why the cure the gay racket is so destructive. It attacks the very heart of our being

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Let me be clear: any kind of change therapy is a racket. It is the recovered memory of our time.

I don’t know if I agree with you on these two thoughts. But then I don’t know if I disagree with you either. I follow this website to learn and I still haven’t figured it out.
What concerns me is that the big organizations doing SOCE do not provide credible research on their success percentages, with a clear definition of what a *success* is.
I am also concerned about the mixing of psychology and religion, that concerns me, and for the most part these cure the gay outfits are religious based. I think it is a lot easier and probably better for you to change your religion (don’t forget religion is a choice), and there are many churches now that accept and affirm people who are gay, lesbian, bi-sexual and transgender, than to teach you how to suppress your natural sexual orientation, or alternately go through life celibate.
But say there are a very very few people who put their religion ahead of their natural sexual orientation, there should be research and help for them, shouldn’t there be? And if so is that then a racket?
The problem is, because these SOCE organizations are religious based they are only directing people to the Change Your Behavior plan and that is where I have a problem, because that is only the best plan for a very very few people.

]]> By: stephen https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/#comment-95579 Thu, 31 May 2018 01:08:43 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9716#comment-95579 Wow. Welcome to the 60s.

]]> By: stephen https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/#comment-95577 Thu, 31 May 2018 01:08:43 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9716#comment-95577 SG, Teresa writes from the human vantage that most of us enjoy: homosexuality is not a choice it’s an adjective. (It makes me crazy when it’s used as a noun to define us but that’s only because I make my living writing)
It describes an aspect of one’s life.
The most important aspect is that of affection. As a gay man I relate to men in an affectional way that I don’t to women. Not that I don’t value and cherish and respect women: but I don’t make the same emotional connection with them as I do with my own gender. This is why the cure the gay racket is so destructive. It attacks the very heart of our being. By making this dispute be about who or what one does naughty time with (folks around here seem to lead way sheltered lives so I will skip the more accurate sex language so I don’t cause terminal shock) our enemies, which includes the ex-gay racket- seek to devalue our lives and loves.
This dispute is not about sex. You must understand that gay people have been so traumatized by the society at large that many of us have embraced an outrageous sex life as a means of defining our personhood. Plus, in the US men are bred to be pussy hounds. Translate that to gay.
Let me be clear: any kind of change therapy is a racket. It is the recovered memory of our time. Have we forgotten what damage that did? You want me to show you on a puppet? To my great despair, the only Catholic priest actually to go to jail was sent there on ‘recovered memory’. The man was a prickly thorn in the side of the Boston establishment. A gay man who renounced his sex to service disadvantaged youths who got too caught up in his role as savior.
W Throck’s posting on his review is instructive: it told me what I already knew from experience. Will a thoughtful exploration of the evidence make any difference to our teabagging fundies? They don’t believe in evolution, they don’t believe in global warming, they don’t believe in the Republican devastation of our economy, they don’t believe in empirical evidence as it contradicts their world view: anti science, anti fact.
Conservative evangelicals (I still don’t understand how such a construct is possible) are going to have to start explaining to the rest of us how up is down and right is left. And I, for one, will not be forgiving.

]]> By: stephen https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/#comment-95578 Thu, 31 May 2018 01:08:43 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9716#comment-95578 SG: There is no discussion of ‘change’ unless Jesus is involved.

]]> By: Warren https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/#comment-94807 Wed, 30 May 2018 22:07:52 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9716#comment-94807 In reply to Stuart Kenny.

While I can’t give personal advice in this forum, I can say that what you describe is a fairly common situation which is addressed by sexual identity counselors. No easy answers, and none that a SI therapist would provide as a matter of course.

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