Comments on: Marcus Bachmann defends his clinic

By: Waxxy

Waxxy — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:31:12 +0000

The doctoring was that most outlets cut out the preceding 30-60 seconds which made it clearer that they were talking about adolescent experimentation in general.
It also should be pointed out that “barbarian” has several less pejorative definitions such as “primitive” or “unrefined” which make more sense in the context: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/barbarian
The gay lobby pulled a fast one on the public here and the media ate it up.

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:31:12 +0000

Waxxy,
Is this Preston again? LOL

The gay lobby pulled a fast one on the public here and the media ate it up.

I’ve listened to the entire recording and I promise you, he used the word Barbarian in response to a direct question about gay teens. You’re gay lobby accusations are nothing but a distraction from the Bachmann problem.

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:04:51 +0000

Great idea Warren…
It is going to take a while for everyone to move to SIT.
I doubt that TWO will go into clinics which are in urban centers and populated by agnostic or new age therapists and pose the same clinical challenge.
My hunch is you will get a different kind of “conversion therapy”…and I doubt they are aware or implement SIT…
it is a new framework and only embarrassment and client welfare will drive people to this useful tool.

By: ken

ken — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:28:42 +0000

David Blakeslee# ~ Jul 16, 2011 at 1:09 pm
“PP investigation was criminal vs. Bachmann ethical”
There was no criminal investigation of Planned parenthood. Nor were any criminal charges filed against the employee. and while what that planned parenthood counselor did was questionably legal, that was one incident out of several that Live Action investigated.
“PP recieves nearly all funding from the federal government vs. Bachman recieving some funding from federal government.”
who told you that? According to Planned Parenthood Annual Report for 2007 only 33% of their funding came from government sources.
“PP investigation involved coercing minors into treatment vs Bachman (TW0) was a voluntary self-referral.”
1st, what minors where coerced into treatment at Planned Parenthood?
With regards to Bachmann, Ramirez case shows they do treat minors, fortunately for him, his mother didn’t force him to continue treatment. However, David, are you certain Bachmann & Associates, never treated a child who was forced into therapy by his/her parents (like Ryan Kendal was)?
“There is nothing so unfair as treating two different situations equally.”
and you want to ignore the similarities of the cases to justify one and condemn the other. the reality is, in both cases groups with a strong bias towards the target organizations, sent in undercover operatives to dig up dirt on the targets.

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:28:42 +0000

Jayhuck,
I think I have responded elsewhere to this question…to Ken and Warren.
There are several very stark differences:
PP investigation was criminal vs. Bachmann ethical
PP recieves nearly all funding from the federal government vs. Bachman recieving some funding from federal government.
The counseling provided by PP in the interview is Federally Funded vs. Bachmann’s interview and treatment is privately paid (by insurer or client).
PP investigation had to do with a “core function” of the work there–abortions (they do much more, agree) vs. Bachmann had to do with a quite peripheral work they do there (if this were a NARTH clinic—spouse is running for President; bigger deal).
PP investigation involved coercing minors into treatment vs Bachman (TW0) was a voluntary self-referral.
I think Besen and TWO are making the wrong appeal to the wrong audience: They should be publicly calling on pastors and religious figures to condemn the mistreatment of Christian seeking clients will false information.
But that is not what he is doing, he is trying to make this about “conversion” therapy, as if the non-religious are being coerced by zealots into false treatment.
Christians are asking important questions of therapists; they deserve accurate, up to date information.
It troubles me how deeply and quickly people at the site here equate truly different scenarios in the name of justice. There is nothing so unfair as treating two different situations equally.