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	Comments on: Politifact rates Tim Pawlenty&#039;s views on sexual orientation	</title>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/14/politifact-rates-tim-pawlentys-views-on-sexual-orientation/#comment-101508&quot;&gt;Sam Christian&lt;/a&gt;.

Homosexuality is a &quot;normal variation&quot; of sexuality.  &quot;Normal variation&quot; simply means it is within an expected range of possibilities that is not pathological or an outlier.  



The problem with your use of &quot;normal&quot; is that it is to broad to be useful.  You don&#039;t account for identifiable sub-populations.  Ex. something that is &lt;em&gt;normal&lt;/em&gt; for a 2 year old may NOT be normal for a 20 year old.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/14/politifact-rates-tim-pawlentys-views-on-sexual-orientation/#comment-101508">Sam Christian</a>.</p>
<p>Homosexuality is a &#8220;normal variation&#8221; of sexuality.  &#8220;Normal variation&#8221; simply means it is within an expected range of possibilities that is not pathological or an outlier.  </p>
<p>The problem with your use of &#8220;normal&#8221; is that it is to broad to be useful.  You don&#8217;t account for identifiable sub-populations.  Ex. something that is <em>normal</em> for a 2 year old may NOT be normal for a 20 year old.</p>
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		By: Sam Christian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Christian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2019 10:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is another thing that &quot;grinds my gears&quot;. People expect me to buy into the idea that everything we decide to like is &quot;normal&quot;. No it&#039;s not. And that&#039;s not to say that people who are gay, or bi, or anything else, are bad people, anymore than anyone else is, but stop BSing me and telling me it&#039;s normal. Normal is defined as what &quot;Most people do&quot; or what most people like, or how most people react to any given situation...etc. In my mind, 7% of the people do NOT define &quot;normal&quot;. I&#039;d think it would take more like 50 to 75% to describe something as &quot;normal. I personally believe it&#039;s a wiring issue and lots of us have wiring issues. Like a Pontiac Sunfire with an on-board computer out of a Chevy Cavalier. The car will run and even think it&#039;s a Cavalier but I guarantee you a check engine light, and some things won&#039;t work. Like the reproductive system of a man who thinks he&#039;s been turned into a women by a doctor. You wanna see the real war on women? Look what they&#039;re doing to women&#039;s sports. I can&#039;t believe women are putting up with this. Chelsea Manning is NOT a woman. Even his name denies his claim to womanhood. Rather &quot;he&quot; is a slightly twisted dude who likes to play dress up. I do that too. Today I&#039;m a millionaire pirate from Jersey.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another thing that &#8220;grinds my gears&#8221;. People expect me to buy into the idea that everything we decide to like is &#8220;normal&#8221;. No it&#8217;s not. And that&#8217;s not to say that people who are gay, or bi, or anything else, are bad people, anymore than anyone else is, but stop BSing me and telling me it&#8217;s normal. Normal is defined as what &#8220;Most people do&#8221; or what most people like, or how most people react to any given situation&#8230;etc. In my mind, 7% of the people do NOT define &#8220;normal&#8221;. I&#8217;d think it would take more like 50 to 75% to describe something as &#8220;normal. I personally believe it&#8217;s a wiring issue and lots of us have wiring issues. Like a Pontiac Sunfire with an on-board computer out of a Chevy Cavalier. The car will run and even think it&#8217;s a Cavalier but I guarantee you a check engine light, and some things won&#8217;t work. Like the reproductive system of a man who thinks he&#8217;s been turned into a women by a doctor. You wanna see the real war on women? Look what they&#8217;re doing to women&#8217;s sports. I can&#8217;t believe women are putting up with this. Chelsea Manning is NOT a woman. Even his name denies his claim to womanhood. Rather &#8220;he&#8221; is a slightly twisted dude who likes to play dress up. I do that too. Today I&#8217;m a millionaire pirate from Jersey.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/14/politifact-rates-tim-pawlentys-views-on-sexual-orientation/#comment-93549</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if it was a good point, but it is my impression of the how things are proceeding.  But then I get much of that feeling from the Internet - so who knows how skewed such an impression would be!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it was a good point, but it is my impression of the how things are proceeding.  But then I get much of that feeling from the Internet &#8211; so who knows how skewed such an impression would be!</p>
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		By: Brent Sharp		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Sin is sin (choices) and god does not make (genetic) mistakes (oh? Please explain 47 XXY to me &#8211; or even psychopathy).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This arguement has always puzzled me about Christians.  If god doesn&#039;t make mistakes then explain birth defects.  Furthermore, if god doesn&#039;t make mistakes then surely being gay isn&#039;t a mistake.  I truely feel that normal human sexuality has less to do with actual sex then are feelings about ourselves toward sex and sexuality.  Whether it is influenced by genetics or biology, the few gay friends that I know have stated time and again that they knew very early before they even knew what &quot;being gay&quot; was that they were gay.
Further, science and christian fundamentalism are at odds.  Fundamentalist use science to support what they already believe and discard sciences that do not support said belief.  Imagine if Keppler or Newton had used this approach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sin is sin (choices) and god does not make (genetic) mistakes (oh? Please explain 47 XXY to me &#8211; or even psychopathy).</p></blockquote>
<p>This arguement has always puzzled me about Christians.  If god doesn&#8217;t make mistakes then explain birth defects.  Furthermore, if god doesn&#8217;t make mistakes then surely being gay isn&#8217;t a mistake.  I truely feel that normal human sexuality has less to do with actual sex then are feelings about ourselves toward sex and sexuality.  Whether it is influenced by genetics or biology, the few gay friends that I know have stated time and again that they knew very early before they even knew what &#8220;being gay&#8221; was that they were gay.<br />
Further, science and christian fundamentalism are at odds.  Fundamentalist use science to support what they already believe and discard sciences that do not support said belief.  Imagine if Keppler or Newton had used this approach.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, what do you think of this money quote from Michael Bailey?&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s one thing I have pointed out in some discussions concerning the very young intersexed males who are reassigned and raised as females.  But the savvy anti-gay would naturally find that the response of a female-assigned person  to a female was ultimately one of a heterosexual.  And as they would agree that heterosexuality is natural, genetic, and the only real orientation, they simply conclude that nature is taking its course despite parental attempts to subvert (pervert) it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, what do you think of this money quote from Michael Bailey?</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing I have pointed out in some discussions concerning the very young intersexed males who are reassigned and raised as females.  But the savvy anti-gay would naturally find that the response of a female-assigned person  to a female was ultimately one of a heterosexual.  And as they would agree that heterosexuality is natural, genetic, and the only real orientation, they simply conclude that nature is taking its course despite parental attempts to subvert (pervert) it.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lynn David,
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think Pawlenty like many think that homosexuality is an either &#8211; or situation. Either it is genetic or behavior but that is surely a false dichotomy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That is exactly what I thought when I heard his explanation.
Additionally, it appeared to me to be that Pawlenty makes a political equation.  If orientation is not genetic, then therefore punitive or discriminatory social policy is acceptable.  &quot;Not genetic&quot; = punishable behavior.
Like the other candidates, he needs to be careful.  Attitudes are shifting on this issue at a highly accelerated rate.  We&#039;ve passed the tipping point, and if current trends continue then by November 2012 this could be a challenge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn David,</p>
<blockquote><p>I think Pawlenty like many think that homosexuality is an either &#8211; or situation. Either it is genetic or behavior but that is surely a false dichotomy.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is exactly what I thought when I heard his explanation.<br />
Additionally, it appeared to me to be that Pawlenty makes a political equation.  If orientation is not genetic, then therefore punitive or discriminatory social policy is acceptable.  &#8220;Not genetic&#8221; = punishable behavior.<br />
Like the other candidates, he needs to be careful.  Attitudes are shifting on this issue at a highly accelerated rate.  We&#8217;ve passed the tipping point, and if current trends continue then by November 2012 this could be a challenge.</p>
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		By: DAVE G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DAVE G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to see more light shed on the interactions of human development and identity formation, attraction/relationships with other persons (Cf. Dartmouth study &quot;Hardwired to Connect&quot;), and the point at which &quot;connecting&quot; becomes sexual.
The APA Task Force points out the two aspects of identity and attraction, but seems to assume &quot;attraction&quot; is necessarily sexual.  And then, at what point does sexual behavior become addictive?
I have some of my own thoughts on these factors, but I would like to hear (read) what others have discovered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see more light shed on the interactions of human development and identity formation, attraction/relationships with other persons (Cf. Dartmouth study &#8220;Hardwired to Connect&#8221;), and the point at which &#8220;connecting&#8221; becomes sexual.<br />
The APA Task Force points out the two aspects of identity and attraction, but seems to assume &#8220;attraction&#8221; is necessarily sexual.  And then, at what point does sexual behavior become addictive?<br />
I have some of my own thoughts on these factors, but I would like to hear (read) what others have discovered.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/14/politifact-rates-tim-pawlentys-views-on-sexual-orientation/#comment-83560&quot;&gt;DAVE G&lt;/a&gt;.

DAVE G - With Lynn David, I don&#039;t put much stock in Stephen Black&#039;s opinion or observations. His biases are strong and clear. Bring to us an account from someone who is not tied into proving homosexuality to be a state of pathology for political reasons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/14/politifact-rates-tim-pawlentys-views-on-sexual-orientation/#comment-83560">DAVE G</a>.</p>
<p>DAVE G &#8211; With Lynn David, I don&#8217;t put much stock in Stephen Black&#8217;s opinion or observations. His biases are strong and clear. Bring to us an account from someone who is not tied into proving homosexuality to be a state of pathology for political reasons.</p>
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		By: Throbert McGee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throbert McGee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Additional thought: I think that at times, I had a &quot;crush&quot; on the &lt;strong&gt;idea&lt;/strong&gt; of having a girlfriend, since all the other guys did!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additional thought: I think that at times, I had a &#8220;crush&#8221; on the <strong>idea</strong> of having a girlfriend, since all the other guys did!</p>
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		By: DAVE G		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tim,
According to the Dartmouth study, all humans are attracted to others; a toddler to any their own age-category, children to others their own gender, and only in adolescence, as sexual feelings begin to emerge, especially to others of the opposite sex.
However, same-sex &quot;best friends&quot; remain intact.  If these later decide to room together, or even maintain a household together, they are not &quot;gay&quot; unless they also use each other as sexual partners to elicit a bodily sexual response. I submit that some prior experience leads some individuals to reject opposite-sex attractions in favor of same-sex relationships if for whatever reason they seem safer or more satisfying.
So my question is, what life-experiences tend to turn us off from opposite-sex relationships that may become intimate?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
According to the Dartmouth study, all humans are attracted to others; a toddler to any their own age-category, children to others their own gender, and only in adolescence, as sexual feelings begin to emerge, especially to others of the opposite sex.<br />
However, same-sex &#8220;best friends&#8221; remain intact.  If these later decide to room together, or even maintain a household together, they are not &#8220;gay&#8221; unless they also use each other as sexual partners to elicit a bodily sexual response. I submit that some prior experience leads some individuals to reject opposite-sex attractions in favor of same-sex relationships if for whatever reason they seem safer or more satisfying.<br />
So my question is, what life-experiences tend to turn us off from opposite-sex relationships that may become intimate?</p>
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