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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[George,
I have to say I love it when people throw up a single (or a few authors) that may be progressive but seem, for whatever reason, to support a more conservative view, and suggest that this somehow makes the opinion balanced or relative.  LOL.   What does &quot;liberal persuasion&quot; mean anyway?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,<br />
I have to say I love it when people throw up a single (or a few authors) that may be progressive but seem, for whatever reason, to support a more conservative view, and suggest that this somehow makes the opinion balanced or relative.  LOL.   What does &#8220;liberal persuasion&#8221; mean anyway?</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/06/10/sissy-boy-experiment-part-3-nicolosi-defends-reparative-therapy/#comment-91726&quot;&gt;George Ribble&lt;/a&gt;.

George - I have compared the repressed memory scandal to reparative therapy. There are several parallels. Reparative therapy has very little empirical backing but is based on psychoanalysis as was repressed memory therapy. Psychoanalysis is resistant to testing because the concepts change with the client and the therapist. Some behaviors can mean two things at once to analysts. Analysts believe they can inferred past events from present behavior which is exactly what repressed memory therapists and reparative therapists do. Both therapists tend to use their experience versus research. They also rely on several cases to divine a general trend.
Therapists can do good things and treatment may fail. I understand the concept, however, I would say that the therapist did not successfully help his/her client. The point is to do the right kind of good things at the right time. Society demands a better answer than &#039;I followed my protocols correctly and did good things.&#039;
Nick Cummings is a mentor to me and a good friend. I have his book and have interviewed him several times and written about him in the national press. One of my great puzzles is that Nick has not written against reparative therapy. I know he believes that therapy can assist a small number to alter sexuality (about 13% from the numbers he gave me) but he does not think that reparative drive theory explains homosexuality in general. Like Nick I think a small percentage of men and women who engage in homosexual behavior are basically straight or bisexual  and therapy may help them realize a more heterosexual adjustment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/06/10/sissy-boy-experiment-part-3-nicolosi-defends-reparative-therapy/#comment-91726">George Ribble</a>.</p>
<p>George &#8211; I have compared the repressed memory scandal to reparative therapy. There are several parallels. Reparative therapy has very little empirical backing but is based on psychoanalysis as was repressed memory therapy. Psychoanalysis is resistant to testing because the concepts change with the client and the therapist. Some behaviors can mean two things at once to analysts. Analysts believe they can inferred past events from present behavior which is exactly what repressed memory therapists and reparative therapists do. Both therapists tend to use their experience versus research. They also rely on several cases to divine a general trend.<br />
Therapists can do good things and treatment may fail. I understand the concept, however, I would say that the therapist did not successfully help his/her client. The point is to do the right kind of good things at the right time. Society demands a better answer than &#8216;I followed my protocols correctly and did good things.&#8217;<br />
Nick Cummings is a mentor to me and a good friend. I have his book and have interviewed him several times and written about him in the national press. One of my great puzzles is that Nick has not written against reparative therapy. I know he believes that therapy can assist a small number to alter sexuality (about 13% from the numbers he gave me) but he does not think that reparative drive theory explains homosexuality in general. Like Nick I think a small percentage of men and women who engage in homosexual behavior are basically straight or bisexual  and therapy may help them realize a more heterosexual adjustment.</p>
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		By: George Ribble		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;StraightGrandmother# ~ Jul 27, 2011 at 3:31 pm
George Ribble &#8211;
(1) homosexuality is a developmental issue where psycho-social growth has gone off the track from its normal progression;
What does that mean George? Is it a disorder that is part of a disease? What is the medical terminology for an &quot;issue?&quot;
Please state if homosexuality is a disease or not.
What you do is use a lot of words in order to avoid answering a simple question.
I simply wish for you to answer the question, and no you are not clear. To be clear the 2 choices are
Homosexuality IS a disease
Homosexuality IS NOT a disease.
Thank you George Ribble I await a short answer from you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
StraightGrandmother--I understand homosexuality to be a developmental disorder where psycho-social growth has gone off the track from its normal progression.  The terms &quot;developmental issue&quot; and &quot;developmental disorder&quot; are used interchangeably in the mental health field.  They are considered to be Axis II diagnoses. Sorry for the confusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>StraightGrandmother# ~ Jul 27, 2011 at 3:31 pm<br />
George Ribble &#8211;<br />
(1) homosexuality is a developmental issue where psycho-social growth has gone off the track from its normal progression;<br />
What does that mean George? Is it a disorder that is part of a disease? What is the medical terminology for an &#8220;issue?&#8221;<br />
Please state if homosexuality is a disease or not.<br />
What you do is use a lot of words in order to avoid answering a simple question.<br />
I simply wish for you to answer the question, and no you are not clear. To be clear the 2 choices are<br />
Homosexuality IS a disease<br />
Homosexuality IS NOT a disease.<br />
Thank you George Ribble I await a short answer from you.</p></blockquote>
<p>StraightGrandmother&#8211;I understand homosexuality to be a developmental disorder where psycho-social growth has gone off the track from its normal progression.  The terms &#8220;developmental issue&#8221; and &#8220;developmental disorder&#8221; are used interchangeably in the mental health field.  They are considered to be Axis II diagnoses. Sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[George,
&lt;blockquote&gt; If you&#039;re going to remove a diagnosis from the DSM do it correctly, not fraudulently&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure what you would have had them do.  It took nearly a year of debate and discussion for homosexuality to be removed.  The science was reviewed and it could not support maintaining same sex orientation as a disorder.  Your attempts at distracting from the facts by using words like &quot;politics&quot; and &quot;fraudulent&quot; to describe the entire process, are just that, distractions]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<blockquote><p> If you&#8217;re going to remove a diagnosis from the DSM do it correctly, not fraudulently</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you would have had them do.  It took nearly a year of debate and discussion for homosexuality to be removed.  The science was reviewed and it could not support maintaining same sex orientation as a disorder.  Your attempts at distracting from the facts by using words like &#8220;politics&#8221; and &#8220;fraudulent&#8221; to describe the entire process, are just that, distractions</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Mr. Doyle&#039; letter did not cite the source of the Superior Court ruling. Since the editors at the &quot;Post&quot; did not rebuttal this piece of information, I took it at face value.&quot;
Well, I can find no such ruling. In fact, I wasn&#039;t able to find any rulings dealing with sexual orientation and protected classes in 2009 from the DC courts. And nothing at all dealing with &quot;ex-gays&quot;.
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Ken--The link below will bring up a news item in the &quot;Washington City Paper&quot;  reporting that the D.C. Superior Court ruled that ex-gays are a protected class in the Distric of Columbia.  In the third paragraph of the article there is a link to the actual court opinion.  The judge confirmed on page 12 of his opinion that ex-gay was a recognized, and therefore protected, group/class under the D.C. Human Rights Act.  According to the &quot;Washington City Paper&quot; ex-gay is defined as individuals who previously practiced gayness, and now prefer to practice heterosexuality.  That definition works for me.
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P.S. I&#039;m not sure that after I post this comment if the link below will open.  Other links that I see on this blog appear in red print, and open easily.  If the link below does not open I would appreciate it very much if someone would coach me through the proper procedure to post a link on this blog.  Thank you.  GR
  http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/08/25/ex-gays-protected-under-dc-human-rights-act/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. Doyle&#8217; letter did not cite the source of the Superior Court ruling. Since the editors at the &#8220;Post&#8221; did not rebuttal this piece of information, I took it at face value.&#8221;<br />
Well, I can find no such ruling. In fact, I wasn&#8217;t able to find any rulings dealing with sexual orientation and protected classes in 2009 from the DC courts. And nothing at all dealing with &#8220;ex-gays&#8221;.<br />
__________________<br />
Ken&#8211;The link below will bring up a news item in the &#8220;Washington City Paper&#8221;  reporting that the D.C. Superior Court ruled that ex-gays are a protected class in the Distric of Columbia.  In the third paragraph of the article there is a link to the actual court opinion.  The judge confirmed on page 12 of his opinion that ex-gay was a recognized, and therefore protected, group/class under the D.C. Human Rights Act.  According to the &#8220;Washington City Paper&#8221; ex-gay is defined as individuals who previously practiced gayness, and now prefer to practice heterosexuality.  That definition works for me.<br />
______________<br />
P.S. I&#8217;m not sure that after I post this comment if the link below will open.  Other links that I see on this blog appear in red print, and open easily.  If the link below does not open I would appreciate it very much if someone would coach me through the proper procedure to post a link on this blog.  Thank you.  GR<br />
  <a href="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/08/25/ex-gays-protected-under-dc-human-rights-act/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/08/25/ex-gays-protected-under-dc-human-rights-act/</a></p>
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