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		By: Teresa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teresa]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I pointed out that he used poor judgment as most professionals have done at one time or another and that I do not think it should reflect the totality of him as a therapist or otherwise.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ann, we will have to agree to disagree.  Poor judgment, in this case, is an excuse for downright unacceptable behavior:  behavior which gives anyone a clue as to this person&#039;s actual feelings toward gay persons.
When we mock someone in crude ways, it tells anyone listening what we truly mean.  As a gay, Christian woman, I can forgive him for this egregious behavior; but, I certainly will disregard any notion that he has the &quot;best interests of any gay person&quot; at heart.  I was leery about NARTH to begin with:  this has pushed me over-the-edge as to their credibility.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Are your other questions posed to me or are they rhetorical?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Rhetorical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I pointed out that he used poor judgment as most professionals have done at one time or another and that I do not think it should reflect the totality of him as a therapist or otherwise.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ann, we will have to agree to disagree.  Poor judgment, in this case, is an excuse for downright unacceptable behavior:  behavior which gives anyone a clue as to this person&#8217;s actual feelings toward gay persons.<br />
When we mock someone in crude ways, it tells anyone listening what we truly mean.  As a gay, Christian woman, I can forgive him for this egregious behavior; but, I certainly will disregard any notion that he has the &#8220;best interests of any gay person&#8221; at heart.  I was leery about NARTH to begin with:  this has pushed me over-the-edge as to their credibility.</p>
<blockquote><p>Are your other questions posed to me or are they rhetorical?</p></blockquote>
<p>Rhetorical.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Ann, I&#039;m a bit bewildered how you can cut slack to Dr. Nicolosi on his remark. The man is a professional who should know better. He&#039;s a therapist who has been trained to know that &quot;some words can kill&quot;. This is what the man does for a living. It indeed is a reflection on Nicolosi&#039;s attitude toward gays. Why do we think he&#039;s a big shooter in the &#039;ex-gay&#039; movement &#8230; because he loves gays? Really? Are we going to trot out the old &quot;he loves the sinner, but hates the sin&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Teresa,
I pointed out that he used poor judgment as most professionals have done at one time or another and that I do not think it should reflect the totality of him as a therapist or otherwise.   Are your other questions posed to me or are they rhetorical?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ann, I&#8217;m a bit bewildered how you can cut slack to Dr. Nicolosi on his remark. The man is a professional who should know better. He&#8217;s a therapist who has been trained to know that &#8220;some words can kill&#8221;. This is what the man does for a living. It indeed is a reflection on Nicolosi&#8217;s attitude toward gays. Why do we think he&#8217;s a big shooter in the &#8216;ex-gay&#8217; movement &#8230; because he loves gays? Really? Are we going to trot out the old &#8220;he loves the sinner, but hates the sin&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Teresa,<br />
I pointed out that he used poor judgment as most professionals have done at one time or another and that I do not think it should reflect the totality of him as a therapist or otherwise.   Are your other questions posed to me or are they rhetorical?</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Poor judgment, in this case, is an excuse for downright unacceptable behavior:&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Teresa,
I am not saying that poor judgment is an excuse for unacceptable behavior. I said it does not make up the totality of a person.  His comment was very hurtful to many people, and there is no excuse for that, nor am I trying to absolve him of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Poor judgment, in this case, is an excuse for downright unacceptable behavior:</p></blockquote>
<p>Teresa,<br />
I am not saying that poor judgment is an excuse for unacceptable behavior. I said it does not make up the totality of a person.  His comment was very hurtful to many people, and there is no excuse for that, nor am I trying to absolve him of it.</p>
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		By: Teresa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teresa]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Nicolosi then joked that if the father did not catch his son and the infant fell and cracked his head, that the son might have brain damage, &quot;but at least he won&#039;t be gay.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Ann said:
Holding that one example against either one, as has been done, is not a reflection of Michael Jackson as a father or Dr. Nicolosi as a therapist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Warren said:
I think the example speaks to his approach to the subject and his attitude toward gays.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ann, I&#039;m a bit bewildered how you can cut slack to Dr. Nicolosi on his remark.  The man is a professional who should know better.  He&#039;s a therapist who has been trained to know that &quot;some words can kill&quot;.  This is what the man does for a living.  It indeed is a reflection on Nicolosi&#039;s attitude toward gays.  Why do we think he&#039;s a big shooter in the &#039;ex-gay&#039; movement ... because he loves gays?  Really?  Are we going to trot out the old &quot;he loves the sinner, but hates the sin&quot;.
Read that sentence again and try that with Kirk or Matthew Shepherd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nicolosi then joked that if the father did not catch his son and the infant fell and cracked his head, that the son might have brain damage, &#8220;but at least he won&#8217;t be gay.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Ann said:<br />
Holding that one example against either one, as has been done, is not a reflection of Michael Jackson as a father or Dr. Nicolosi as a therapist.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Warren said:<br />
I think the example speaks to his approach to the subject and his attitude toward gays.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ann, I&#8217;m a bit bewildered how you can cut slack to Dr. Nicolosi on his remark.  The man is a professional who should know better.  He&#8217;s a therapist who has been trained to know that &#8220;some words can kill&#8221;.  This is what the man does for a living.  It indeed is a reflection on Nicolosi&#8217;s attitude toward gays.  Why do we think he&#8217;s a big shooter in the &#8216;ex-gay&#8217; movement &#8230; because he loves gays?  Really?  Are we going to trot out the old &#8220;he loves the sinner, but hates the sin&#8221;.<br />
Read that sentence again and try that with Kirk or Matthew Shepherd.</p>
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		By: Patrocles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrocles]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Don&#039;t try it at home&quot; seems to propose that fathers never ever ought to playfully toss their infant sons into the air -, because, oh my God, they might crack their head.
I suppose it must only be done by a certificated therapist oder under control of a public institution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t try it at home&#8221; seems to propose that fathers never ever ought to playfully toss their infant sons into the air -, because, oh my God, they might crack their head.<br />
I suppose it must only be done by a certificated therapist oder under control of a public institution.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it speaks to an attitude that is troubling.
These sort of jokes are not isolated incidents.  When Jimmy Swaggart said &quot;If [a gay man] ever looks at me like that, I&#039;m going to kill him and tell God he died&quot;, he was joking.  Nicolosi was joking.  These kinda jokes are not at all rare.
And truly, Swaggart does not condone murder.  Nicolosi does not think it better to drop a kid on its head.
But they are speaking rhetorically about what they do believe: that gay people are foreign, peculiar, abhorrent people.  And jokes about such people are acceptable because, well, no one is really offended.  Good folk know that gays are abominations and (ask Colson) gays know it too.  It&#039;s just the moral order of the universe.
It&#039;s like jokes about what you&#039;d do to Hitler or Osama Ben Ladin.
Nicolosi and Swaggart (and many others) think that gay people are agreed-upon hate objects.  So these jokes are fine, and funny.  Even last night, Nicolosi told AC360 that &quot;there&#039;s more pressure not to be gay out there than in this office&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it speaks to an attitude that is troubling.<br />
These sort of jokes are not isolated incidents.  When Jimmy Swaggart said &#8220;If [a gay man] ever looks at me like that, I&#8217;m going to kill him and tell God he died&#8221;, he was joking.  Nicolosi was joking.  These kinda jokes are not at all rare.<br />
And truly, Swaggart does not condone murder.  Nicolosi does not think it better to drop a kid on its head.<br />
But they are speaking rhetorically about what they do believe: that gay people are foreign, peculiar, abhorrent people.  And jokes about such people are acceptable because, well, no one is really offended.  Good folk know that gays are abominations and (ask Colson) gays know it too.  It&#8217;s just the moral order of the universe.<br />
It&#8217;s like jokes about what you&#8217;d do to Hitler or Osama Ben Ladin.<br />
Nicolosi and Swaggart (and many others) think that gay people are agreed-upon hate objects.  So these jokes are fine, and funny.  Even last night, Nicolosi told AC360 that &#8220;there&#8217;s more pressure not to be gay out there than in this office&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holding that one example against either one, as has been done, is not a reflection of Michael Jackson as a father or Dr. Nicolosi as a therapist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holding that one example against either one, as has been done, is not a reflection of Michael Jackson as a father or Dr. Nicolosi as a therapist.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think people will take from what Michael Jackson did and what Dr. Nicolosi said to bolster their dislikes for either one - albeit I doubt whether either did or said anything to intentional harm.  Both used poor judgment - as we all have at one time or another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people will take from what Michael Jackson did and what Dr. Nicolosi said to bolster their dislikes for either one &#8211; albeit I doubt whether either did or said anything to intentional harm.  Both used poor judgment &#8211; as we all have at one time or another.</p>
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		By: Suzie Joe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzie Joe]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Including that anecdote was a pretty cheap way to attack Nicolosi on an irrelevancy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Including that anecdote was a pretty cheap way to attack Nicolosi on an irrelevancy.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Suzie Joe - Why is it irrelevant?]]></description>
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