Comments on: Do parents cause homosexuality? A reply to Chuck Colson

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:55:13 +0000

No.

By: Mary

Mary — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:22:42 +0000

Well… let’s see…. I don’t agree with his line of reasoning but it is kind of funny to think that even gays would agree that homosexuality was caused by their parents via intercourse.

By: Eddy

Eddy — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:22:42 +0000

Warren–
From a psychological standpoint, who can testify to complete change? Can the overeater who has lost 100 lbs but still finds themselves struggling past the ice cream display or managing their consumption at an all you can eat buffet? Can the manic-depressive who, although they are no longer driven by their feelings, still gets occasional manic urges?
Donata’s point went to the 100% demand and the fact that it’s a standard of measurement for change that we don’t apply in other areas.
Back to those folks I just cited. If they were to have a national convocation, would we fault them for touting their change? Would we expect them to give details regarding their occasional struggles?
You know something? That’s what I did. “Reckoning with the Roots”–not ‘Reckoned’-past tense-but “Reckoning”. “Lessons for the Battlefield”….What? If it’s all over and done with, complete change, what’s this ‘battlefield’ business? And yet, I’d have people come to me and say “I’ve read your stuff. Sure, it was easy for you.” WHAT???!! Where did they think these lessons were coming from?
I’ll concede that some did gloss over but I will maintain that the majority (at least within EXODUS) always acknowledged the likelihood of ongoing temptations. One person who has blogged here regularly often documented those leaders who ‘admitted they were still tempted’. While he sometimes made it sound like they made those admissions kicking and screaming and under force, the truth is that those admissions were out there for those who were looking for more than a sound bite.

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:22:42 +0000

David,

Morality and choice are laced throughout Scripture…it is a difficult matter to integrate that with all human behavior in a manner that encourages the best in us while acknowledging our limitations.

Morality and choice are laced throughout most literature, especially most divine texts. So whose interpretation of any of these texts gets to win? I’m all for the individual trying to better himself, but these are good questions to ask.

By: Throbert McGee

Throbert McGee — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:22:42 +0000

The absolute wrong definition is “complete change”, “100% change”, “having zero same sex attraction”, etc. But we know a realistic definition hurts your position.

Flipping this around, Donata, I would observe that a vague, inconsistent, and malleable definition of “change” is quite helpful to the position of NARTH and Exodus! And the reason that such nebulous definitions are helpful to NARTH and Exodus is that they make their “change” claims effectively impossible to disprove.
P.S. Let me once again cough and point out that many conservative Christians looooove to brag about how they’re the bulwarks and guardians of timeless, consistent standards, while at the same time they love to accuse those awful liberals of having vague and slippery standards, which is tantamount to having no standards at all.
But, seemingly, vague standards are just fine and dandy if they happen to work to the advantage of the religious conservatives affiliated with NARTH and Exodus…