Comments on: Uganda's Monitor interviews Bahati and gay advocate; Bahati admits bill redundant https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: steven kasiko https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85265 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:23 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85265 We gays have no intention of recuriting children and no one has ever come out with such an agenda this is all being done to with the intention to make us look like devils in the eyes of Ugandans to spoil our names we are against such people
some of us have had problems from our own parents because of being homosexuals which i think ‘s unfair people do not want to leave us free to do what we want to do like other Ugandans .Let us try to kill this bill

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85245 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85245 Anyway, since ‘Maazi NCO’ declines to comment on the infamous Clause 13, I will.
It is clearly a kind of ‘catch all’ clause (just look at the ‘loose’, all-embracing wording) that can be interpreted to suit those who use it (for their own political ends?). It represents a huge threat to good work done by both individuals and NGOs in, for example, the fight against HIV/AIDS. I suspect that when leaders in the international community called for the complete abandonment of the Bill, Clause 13 was very much in their thoughts.
Ironically perhaps, all ‘Maazi’s’ blogging (and especially some of his more ‘rash’ statements, such as “Contrary to Western media propaganda, Gays who keep their heads down and do their stuff privately will be left alone”) might be seen as a breach of the Clause, if only because of all the discussion it has stimulated (the Clause is designed effectively to criminalise discussion). Ssempa’s porn shows would certainly have breached it.

]]> By: Maazi NCO https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85246 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85246

I suspect that the old Clause 13 will form much of the next ‘outrage’ (i.e. attempts will be made effectively to ‘squeeze’ LGBT persons out of civil society, rather as Nazis did the Jews in the mid-1930s

Propaganda ! Propaganda !! Propaganda !!!! This has nothing to do with Nazism. Gayism is a sex crime. Anyone who keeps on the right side of the law and avoids engaging in gay sex is free to live his or her life in Uganda.

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85247 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85247 ‘Maazi’
Shall we have a look together at the current ‘Clause 13’?
(By the way, you might dismiss what I said as ‘propaganda’ – I expected that, of course, complete with ‘hysterical caps’ – but more people here see it differently. But there is one important point of detail that you have overlooked: Clause 13 does not apply only to what you term ‘gay sex practitioners’, it could also apply to, for example, someone giving shelter to, or providing health care for, a homeless gay person. It’s just ‘slow slaughter’, rather than ‘quick’.)

]]> By: Maazi NCO https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85248 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85248

Consensual same-sex activity is not currently a ‘sex crime’ under UG law

Ha, ha, ha. Gayism is a sex crime. I am not interested in engaging you in a game of semantics. Ugandans are competent to interprete their own laws. Since year 2000, both male and females have been liable to be prosecuted for same-sex deviant acts as defined by provisions on “carnal acts against the order of nature” and “engagement in acts of gross indeceny”. All this talk of “heterosexuality” and “homosexuality” is just nonsense since I do not even recognize those terms as legitimate.

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85249 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85249 If you say so, dear!
Anyway, let’s look at your statement: “Contrary to Western media propaganda, Gays who keep their heads down and do their stuff privately will be left alone.” That was a lie, wasn’t it? You just said it in order to deceive (just as Bahati and Ssempa lied about Article 129).
Source: http://ncronline.org/news/hope-houston-extremes-uganda

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85250 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85250 I thought you might say that!

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85241 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85241 @ Steven :
I’m so shocked by what these heterosexuals get up to! Aren’t you?’
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/Insight/-/688338/1233818/-/rnk4nh/-/index.html

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85242 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85242 Claims made by some that the death penalty was removed during the Eighth Parliament were also untrue, of course. This attempted trickery did not ‘play well’ in certain important circles – put people more ‘on guard’, actually.

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/21/ugandas-monitor-interviews-bahati-and-gay-advocate/#comment-85243 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=9365#comment-85243 Aha! Just spotted a factual error in something ‘Maazi’ has said. He said, “Gayism is a sex crime.”
Consensual same-sex activity is not currently a ‘sex crime’ under UG law; certain activities** are deemed ‘offences against nature’ (the same is in fact true is of the same ‘certain activities’ with regard to heterosexual couples). The UG police made this point a few weeks ago.
For such activity to be classified a ‘sex crime’, a change in the law would be required.
** The main ‘activity’ in question is the one that dear little WUg kept getting so extremely excited about.

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