Comments on: No action on Uganda's Anti-Homosexuality bill expected this week

By: Maazi NCO

Maazi NCO — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:04 +0000

Actually, both Lithuania and Latvia are in the EU. Estonia is working on draft laws to provide for civil unions.

I am sooooooo glad that Uganda is not a member of the European Union.

You had to back-track, didn’t you, ‘Maazi’? ….

I have never back-tracked on anything. Gayism is unacceptable to (most) Africans in general and (most) Ugandans in particular. For that reason, the Ugandan State has responsibility to update our laws to combat militant gay sex advocacy.

By: Maazi NCO

Maazi NCO — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

My understanding is that the Anti-Homosexuality Bill as written in October 2009 is dead and buried. Like I have often alluded to in the past, there are different scenarios which have been envisaged for the passage into law of any constitutionally-compliant bill that meets the popular demands of the Ugandan people with regards to the subject matter at hand. I think each group of stakeholders are working on their own plans, each group with their own parallel road map to success. There is confidence that before this parliament winds down in 2016, there would be a legal framework in place to prosecute people who wish to import grotesque foreign “sub-cultures” into Uganda.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

Just for the record: personally, I am entirely in favour of same-sex civil unions, but regard such provision as a matter of ‘civil law’, and not of fundamental human rights, such as life; freedom from persecution on grounds of …; privacy; personal honour; and so on.
Do you understand where I’m coming from, ‘Maazi’?

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

@ ‘Maazi’
You say: “My understanding is that the Anti-Homosexuality Bill as written in October 2009 is dead and buried.”
I take a more cautious view, simply because once the ‘hate genie’ is out of the bottle, it is very hard to put it back. And given the current febrile political atmosphere in UG at present, you could well end up with a bill that you personally do not support (i.e. the Bahati Bill with minimal amendments).
Do you rent property? If so, and if the Bahati Bill were passed with the amendments suggested by the LPAC, you could be in serious trouble (see Clause 13) if it were discovered that a tenant of yours was gay. Given that there are probably quite a lot people ‘in the closet’ in UG, such a situation could be a distinct possibility.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

‘Maazi’
Two questions for you:-
1. Do you understand my point about Clause 13 and renting property?
2. Have you decided not to cite instances of alleged lying on my part? Or are you still hunting for such instances?

By: Warren

Warren — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

ken- Yes. Will update if I get new information.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

‘Maazi’
One more (very important) point: if UG followed the Lithuanian approach, I suspect that most (knowledgeable) people would regard this as a very considerable improvement on the status quo, even if their support for such an approach was not entirely unqualified.
If this were to happen, I, for one, would cease my campaigning activities with immediate effect. After all, whether UG provides for things like civil partnerships is, IMHO, an internal matter for the Republic of Uganda. But creating ‘Bahati-style’ human rights catastrophes is always an international matter, because it is usually other countries that have to pick up the pieces!
FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Lithuania

By: ken

ken — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

Have you tried to contact Joshua Male as well?

By: Maazi NCO

Maazi NCO — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

He did not have to propose what is effectively legalised genocide;

I don’t think western outrage was primarily about the harshness of the bill. It was about the idea of prohibiting gayism at a time when same-sex marriage is in vogue back in their societies.
Lets face it; even if Bahati had proposed a tame bill akin to the one that Republic of Lithuania—where gay sex is legal— proposed to keep gayism from venturing outside the confines of the bedroom, there still would have been loud howls of disapproval from the usual suspects outside Africa. The Burundians faced similar western outrage over their extremely tame bill which merely proposes prison sentences or the option of paying a fine for the crime of buggery.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:00:02 +0000

As for this alleged ‘Lithuanian’ hypocrisy: ‘phooey’!
There is no reason why a country that does not sanction ‘same-sex marriage’ should not have anti-hate laws. All it is saying is this: ‘we do’t approve of hatred against people because they are gay, but neither do we approve of ‘gay marriages’. OK, so that’s not my own view, but – in my opinion – what Lithuania does is an internal matter for Lithuania provided she does not breach fundamental human rights.
If Lithuania wishes to join the EU, she will need to abide by the terms of the European Union Treaty, and provide for same-sex civil unions in her civil law. But that is another issue. I would of course be pleased if she chose to do so, as well she might.