Comments on: Skip Narth, read Collins – UPDATED with NARTH statement

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:59:02 +0000

There are stories to tell about professional retaliation for efforts taken in private also. Mary and Ann cannot know how those events also colored perceptions by those of us who sought a more conciliatory process in compliance with ethical demands and scripture.
My dad used to say…”No good deed goes unpunished.” I have found that to be only rarely true, but certainly true in regards to efforts to refine and improve NARTH’s mission.
It is extraordinarily sad.

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:59:02 +0000

Debbie,
You’re muddying the waters with those quotes above:
Collins did not say this – Byrd did:

As Dr. Collins would agree, environment can influence gene expression, and free will determines the response to whatever predispositions might be present.

In Fact most of Byrd’s article, beginning with the headline, is NARTH’s way of misrepresenting another person’s work so that it fits within their worldview and supports their agenda. They have a long and sad track record of doing this.

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:32 +0000

Nevertheless, this kind of conflict is never discussed in Christians circles, which is the culture we are coming from. You have to figure out how to do it from scratch.

David,
I’m a little unclear on what you are talking about here. Are you speaking about the efforts to change NARTH made by you and Warren?

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:32 +0000

@ Jayhuck,
I am referring to the confrontation of Christian leaders of wrongdoing…it is not taught, encouraged or coached for the laity.
My example of Nathan and David in 2 Samuel 12 only works because David repents.
Think of Martin Luther and his 95 theses…and the resultant schisms and wars that followed; culminating the the freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
It is at the root of all of Warren Throckmorton’s transition…I believe.

By: carole

carole — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:32 +0000

@David,

FWIW, Carole, you missed the point by several orbits. But that shrill screed is certainly telling. You might want to find another blog that suits you better.

Ah, the kind of thing David and Eddy were talking about.
FWIW, there are several people who post here often and some much less often who offer intelligent discourse, ask interesting questions, can disagree w/out resorting to ad hominems, and a blog owner who offers a great, intriguing mix of topics.
Could be there’s something wrong with your ears, but in any case, you can always choose to not read my posts if the tune isn’t to your liking.