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	Comments on: Gay change topic tonight on the Oprah Network	</title>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Science and technology have solved that problem. Willing lesbians and a sperm donor are all you need.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It has been show that two females can reproduce with a little lab work.  That is if the females are mice.   But taking the concept up the evolutionary ladder shouldn&#039;t be too difficult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Science and technology have solved that problem. Willing lesbians and a sperm donor are all you need.</p></blockquote>
<p>It has been show that two females can reproduce with a little lab work.  That is if the females are mice.   But taking the concept up the evolutionary ladder shouldn&#8217;t be too difficult.</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a gay 31 year old.  I, like ever other gay man on the planet, of course realizes that being &quot;straight&quot; and therefore socially acceptable would make our lives easier.  However, the vast, vast, vast majority of us choose to be ourselves and hope/expect that others will love us for who we are.  I knew I was born gay and became attracted to boys during puberty just like a straight boy finds girls attractive during puberty.  I had a very normal childhood, with loving parents.



I think why so many in the gay community laugh and mock the &quot;become straight&quot; movement is that we find it sad that people are so brainwashed by religion that they feel the need to try and become something they are not.  &quot;Praying yourself straight&quot; is everyone&#039;s right, of course (I&#039;ll leave out the question of it&#039;s effectiveness), but wouldn&#039;t it be great if we lived in a society where we could just be ourselves, and not feel guilty about it???  This movement contradicts that noble goal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a gay 31 year old.  I, like ever other gay man on the planet, of course realizes that being &#8220;straight&#8221; and therefore socially acceptable would make our lives easier.  However, the vast, vast, vast majority of us choose to be ourselves and hope/expect that others will love us for who we are.  I knew I was born gay and became attracted to boys during puberty just like a straight boy finds girls attractive during puberty.  I had a very normal childhood, with loving parents.</p>
<p>I think why so many in the gay community laugh and mock the &#8220;become straight&#8221; movement is that we find it sad that people are so brainwashed by religion that they feel the need to try and become something they are not.  &#8220;Praying yourself straight&#8221; is everyone&#8217;s right, of course (I&#8217;ll leave out the question of it&#8217;s effectiveness), but wouldn&#8217;t it be great if we lived in a society where we could just be ourselves, and not feel guilty about it???  This movement contradicts that noble goal.</p>
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		By: preston		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The sperm donor is not a person?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sperm donor is not a person?</p>
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		By: Throbert McGee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/03/08/gay-change-topic-tonight-on-the-oprah-network/#comment-88255</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throbert McGee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;My point is that procreating offspring is a very powerful motivator.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



&quot;Parenting&quot; and &quot;procreating&quot; aren&#039;t the same thing, as you yourself acknowledge in your responses to Jon.



If I &lt;strong&gt;were&lt;/strong&gt; personally bothered by my genes disappearing from the gene pool -- which I&#039;m not, &#039;cause what&#039;s it to me if my genes aren&#039;t around 200 years after I&#039;m dead? -- I could solve this by the simple expedient of sperm donation, which involves &lt;em&gt;much less time, expense, and trouble than &quot;change therapy.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; (I&#039;m HIV- and have the same IQ as Jayne Mansfield, so I&#039;m willing to bet that some chicks would pay good cash for my semen even knowing that I&#039;m homosexual and this trait might theoretically show up in the resulting offspring.)



P.S. For what it&#039;s worth, I have some ethical problems with the idea of being a &quot;sperm donor,&quot; so I&#039;ve never given this idea serious consideration and doubt I ever will. I&#039;m just observing that as a practical matter, it&#039;s simpler than &quot;change therapy&quot; for gays who really really want to pass their genes on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My point is that procreating offspring is a very powerful motivator.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Parenting&#8221; and &#8220;procreating&#8221; aren&#8217;t the same thing, as you yourself acknowledge in your responses to Jon.</p>
<p>If I <strong>were</strong> personally bothered by my genes disappearing from the gene pool &#8212; which I&#8217;m not, &#8217;cause what&#8217;s it to me if my genes aren&#8217;t around 200 years after I&#8217;m dead? &#8212; I could solve this by the simple expedient of sperm donation, which involves <em>much less time, expense, and trouble than &#8220;change therapy.&#8221;</em> (I&#8217;m HIV- and have the same IQ as Jayne Mansfield, so I&#8217;m willing to bet that some chicks would pay good cash for my semen even knowing that I&#8217;m homosexual and this trait might theoretically show up in the resulting offspring.)</p>
<p>P.S. For what it&#8217;s worth, I have some ethical problems with the idea of being a &#8220;sperm donor,&#8221; so I&#8217;ve never given this idea serious consideration and doubt I ever will. I&#8217;m just observing that as a practical matter, it&#8217;s simpler than &#8220;change therapy&#8221; for gays who really really want to pass their genes on.</p>
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		By: Jon Trouten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Trouten]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whatever, Preston.  You brought up parenting as a reason why gay people would want to live the heterosexual lifestyle.  I brought up that you can be gay and a parent.  You eventually said that there&#039;s a difference between having kids and parenting kids.  You then put the emphasis onto looking at your genes in your kids.  That&#039;s fine, but not everyone suffers self-satisfaction with being the parent of biologically-related kids who look similar to them.



If you think I&#039;m quibbling and splitting hair by pointing out that gay people don&#039;t have to enter the &quot;heterosexual lifestyle&quot; in order to become parents, then so be it.  You don&#039;t.  I didn&#039;t.  I know many others who didn&#039;t.



That said, I personally know a few ex-gay folks who did enter the &quot;heterosexual lifestyle&quot; and who became parents.  They are all gay again and divorced and their kids are being split between homes.



I prefer my way of becoming a parent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever, Preston.  You brought up parenting as a reason why gay people would want to live the heterosexual lifestyle.  I brought up that you can be gay and a parent.  You eventually said that there&#8217;s a difference between having kids and parenting kids.  You then put the emphasis onto looking at your genes in your kids.  That&#8217;s fine, but not everyone suffers self-satisfaction with being the parent of biologically-related kids who look similar to them.</p>
<p>If you think I&#8217;m quibbling and splitting hair by pointing out that gay people don&#8217;t have to enter the &#8220;heterosexual lifestyle&#8221; in order to become parents, then so be it.  You don&#8217;t.  I didn&#8217;t.  I know many others who didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That said, I personally know a few ex-gay folks who did enter the &#8220;heterosexual lifestyle&#8221; and who became parents.  They are all gay again and divorced and their kids are being split between homes.</p>
<p>I prefer my way of becoming a parent.</p>
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