I know of no mainstream lgbtq organization that seeks the same of Christianity. I do know of several gay and gay-supportive Christian organizations, however.

And if not, they may find themselves in a place where expressing certain kinds of “Christian thought” may, indeed, be criminalized. Already has, in some places.

I think that the recent SCOTUS case involving the Phelps clan shows that even the most vile rhetoric spoken as religious opposition to gays cannot be criminalized in this country. So all this talk of socially conservative pastors being arrested for preaching on a sunday is bunk.

Now, if you’re referencing cases in, for example, Canada, the UK, and Sweden, I can’t speak to those since my political involvement regarding equality is limited to America, my home nation. I am not aware that those countries have the kind of free-speech protections that we are fortunate to have.

Excellent Comment! Throbert, you explained this so well and understandably. Thanks for this.

I’ve tried to explain it along lines of being creatively gifted that many homosexuals are … but your analogy and explanation is far better.

It’s kind of the glass half empty or half full, isn’t it?

Teresa, let me assure you that I’ve met some very dull-witted and uncreative homosexuals in my time, along with a lot of brilliantly creative heterosexuals. So I’m personally not convinced that homosexuality disproportionately correlates with creative gifts. But the point I wanted to make with my analogy about “mutant color vision” is that even if homosexuals aren’t “creatively gifted,” we’re still able to offer a different perspective on male/female interactions, and humanity would be much poorer without this “different perspective.”

When I, as an openly homosexual man, befriend a heterosexual man, he knows that whatever I am, I’m not his rival for the affections of a woman. And when I befriend a heterosexual woman, she knows that whatever I am, I’m not trying to get into her panties!

Some people have also argued that when Thog the caveman had to go on a long hunt for mammoth, he was better off leaving his cave-wife Reena under the watchful eye of Quooquee, the gay caveman, than trusting one of his horny heterosexual brothers to look after her.

And when Thog’s wife Reena the cave-mommy had to go on a long march in search of edible roots and berries, and needed a cave-nanny to watch her kids, she was better off hiring Dorgo, the lesbian cavewoman who won’t respond to Thog’s flirtations, than some heterosexual chick who might get knocked up by Thog and then demand child support.

Ah the specter of HIV. Here’s another interesting HIV fact. Since 2006 African Americans are responsible for almost the same number of reported new HIV infections as are Men who have sex with Men (MSM) (452,985 to 452,985). Note there may be (and probably is) significant overlap in these populations

Based on this information are you also willing to say:

“Because of these costs, being black is not just like eye color variation.”

..When an emotionalLY sound woman chooses a mate, she considers stability, earning potential, hopefully temperament, etc

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..the most successful fathers pass EITHER BY EXAMPLE OR THROUGH GENES, THE BEHAVIORS of self control and group assimilation..

I’m not sure I follow your answer here Rebecca. Sounds like you are saying “no” to my question. but perhaps you could clarify.

(Of course, some gay people are open to the idea that there are “homosexualities” with multiple etiologies, but this is going against the dominant gay culture, which is currently stuck on “Born This Way.”)

And I think that Throckmorton’s model of sexual identity recognizes this, and that Exodus has finally started recognizing this — but that previously, Exodus was essentially claiming that a 40-year-old monolingual English speaker could completely forget the English language and develop native proficiency in Mandarin Chinese.

People tend to form their core identity at a much earlier stage than adolescence.

If sexual identity is indeed learned in infancy and toddlerhood as Galenson and Roiphe and many others suggest, it would be foundational and difficult to change. Think of retrofitting the foundation of a building. It would impact so many other aspects of later development that have been laid on top of it. Hard to shift but maybe not impossible.

Another comparison would be language. Most humans have an early critical period during which they pick up any language to which they are exposed. After that time, they can still learn, but with much greater effort and usually they speak these later languages with an accent. Maybe that is how homosexual development is in certain individuals but with genetics sometimes carrying the swing vote. Maybe that is the theory that explains why stories of 100% change are so rare. They always have “an accent.”