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	Comments on: BYU, Utah professors rebut LDS gay change group	</title>
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		By: Emily K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily K]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The above comment I made is still beside the point. So-called Christian groups like the AFA and other classified hate groups spread vile lies about gays and call for us to be &quot;re-educated&quot; and our private actions to be criminalized simply because they are found unpalatable to certain people.



I know of no mainstream lgbtq organization that seeks the same of Christianity. I do know of several gay and gay-supportive Christian organizations, however.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comment I made is still beside the point. So-called Christian groups like the AFA and other classified hate groups spread vile lies about gays and call for us to be &#8220;re-educated&#8221; and our private actions to be criminalized simply because they are found unpalatable to certain people.</p>
<p>I know of no mainstream lgbtq organization that seeks the same of Christianity. I do know of several gay and gay-supportive Christian organizations, however.</p>
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		By: Emily K		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;And if not, they may find themselves in a place where expressing certain kinds of &quot;Christian thought&quot; may, indeed, be criminalized. Already has, in some places.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I think that the recent SCOTUS case involving the Phelps clan shows that even the most vile rhetoric spoken as religious opposition to gays cannot be criminalized in this country. So all this talk of socially conservative pastors being arrested for preaching on a sunday is bunk.



Now, if you&#039;re referencing cases in, for example, Canada, the UK, and Sweden, I can&#039;t speak to those since my political involvement regarding equality is limited to America, my home nation. I am not aware that those countries have the kind of free-speech protections that we are fortunate to have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And if not, they may find themselves in a place where expressing certain kinds of &#8220;Christian thought&#8221; may, indeed, be criminalized. Already has, in some places.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that the recent SCOTUS case involving the Phelps clan shows that even the most vile rhetoric spoken as religious opposition to gays cannot be criminalized in this country. So all this talk of socially conservative pastors being arrested for preaching on a sunday is bunk.</p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;re referencing cases in, for example, Canada, the UK, and Sweden, I can&#8217;t speak to those since my political involvement regarding equality is limited to America, my home nation. I am not aware that those countries have the kind of free-speech protections that we are fortunate to have.</p>
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		By: Rebecca		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To me the stunning disintegration of so many black families and the resultant dysfunctionality lie at the heart of these tragic statistics for HIV in African Americans.  It is not being black that drives these costs, it is the breakdown of the family system that plagues a number African Americans.  The factors leading to this breakdown are a subject for debate.  It may be a type of macro psychodynamic issue where the economic, social and family environment conspire against people and possibly transmit intergenerationally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the stunning disintegration of so many black families and the resultant dysfunctionality lie at the heart of these tragic statistics for HIV in African Americans.  It is not being black that drives these costs, it is the breakdown of the family system that plagues a number African Americans.  The factors leading to this breakdown are a subject for debate.  It may be a type of macro psychodynamic issue where the economic, social and family environment conspire against people and possibly transmit intergenerationally.</p>
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		By: Rebecca		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Corrections -

..When an emotionalLY sound woman chooses a mate, she considers stability, earning potential, hopefully temperament, etc

...

 ..the most successful fathers pass EITHER BY EXAMPLE OR THROUGH GENES, THE BEHAVIORS of self control and group assimilation..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrections &#8211;</p>
<p>..When an emotionalLY sound woman chooses a mate, she considers stability, earning potential, hopefully temperament, etc</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p> ..the most successful fathers pass EITHER BY EXAMPLE OR THROUGH GENES, THE BEHAVIORS of self control and group assimilation..</p>
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		By: Throbert McGee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throbert McGee]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Excellent Comment! Throbert, you explained this so well and understandably. Thanks for this.



I&#039;ve tried to explain it along lines of being creatively gifted that many homosexuals are &#8230; but your analogy and explanation is far better.



It&#039;s kind of the glass half empty or half full, isn&#039;t it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Teresa, let me assure you that I&#039;ve met some very dull-witted and uncreative homosexuals in my time, along with a lot of brilliantly creative heterosexuals. So I&#039;m personally not convinced that homosexuality disproportionately correlates with creative gifts. But the point I wanted to make with my analogy about &quot;mutant color vision&quot; is that even if homosexuals aren&#039;t &quot;creatively gifted,&quot; we&#039;re still able to offer a different perspective on male/female interactions, and humanity would be much poorer without this &quot;different perspective.&quot;



When I, as an openly homosexual man, befriend a heterosexual man, he knows that whatever I am, I&#039;m not his rival for the affections of a woman. And when I befriend a heterosexual woman, she knows that whatever I am, I&#039;m not trying to get into her panties!



Some people have also argued that when Thog the caveman had to go on a long hunt for mammoth, he was better off leaving his cave-wife Reena under the watchful eye of Quooquee, the gay caveman, than trusting one of his horny heterosexual brothers to look after her.



And when Thog&#039;s wife Reena the cave-mommy had to go on a long march in search of edible roots and berries, and needed a cave-nanny to watch her kids, she was better off hiring Dorgo, the lesbian cavewoman who won&#039;t respond to Thog&#039;s flirtations, than some heterosexual chick who might get knocked up by Thog and then demand child support.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Excellent Comment! Throbert, you explained this so well and understandably. Thanks for this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to explain it along lines of being creatively gifted that many homosexuals are &#8230; but your analogy and explanation is far better.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of the glass half empty or half full, isn&#8217;t it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Teresa, let me assure you that I&#8217;ve met some very dull-witted and uncreative homosexuals in my time, along with a lot of brilliantly creative heterosexuals. So I&#8217;m personally not convinced that homosexuality disproportionately correlates with creative gifts. But the point I wanted to make with my analogy about &#8220;mutant color vision&#8221; is that even if homosexuals aren&#8217;t &#8220;creatively gifted,&#8221; we&#8217;re still able to offer a different perspective on male/female interactions, and humanity would be much poorer without this &#8220;different perspective.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I, as an openly homosexual man, befriend a heterosexual man, he knows that whatever I am, I&#8217;m not his rival for the affections of a woman. And when I befriend a heterosexual woman, she knows that whatever I am, I&#8217;m not trying to get into her panties!</p>
<p>Some people have also argued that when Thog the caveman had to go on a long hunt for mammoth, he was better off leaving his cave-wife Reena under the watchful eye of Quooquee, the gay caveman, than trusting one of his horny heterosexual brothers to look after her.</p>
<p>And when Thog&#8217;s wife Reena the cave-mommy had to go on a long march in search of edible roots and berries, and needed a cave-nanny to watch her kids, she was better off hiring Dorgo, the lesbian cavewoman who won&#8217;t respond to Thog&#8217;s flirtations, than some heterosexual chick who might get knocked up by Thog and then demand child support.</p>
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