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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suspect that events in Egypt have, to an extent, overshadowed those in Uganda - which is perhaps understandable, given their magnitude and significance.



(I am NOT, of course, suggesting that the brutal and senseless murder of David Kato is not an event of great importance; the unfolding story of the investigation into this foul crime is also highly &#039;revealing&#039; - especially given the different [premature] &#039;explanations&#039; that have been issued [with subsequent implied retractions following in their wake], and the unprecedented criticism of homophobia recently issued by the Inspector General of Police, who has described the activities of the likes of Muhame and Ssempa as &#039;absolutely unacceptable&#039;.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that events in Egypt have, to an extent, overshadowed those in Uganda &#8211; which is perhaps understandable, given their magnitude and significance.</p>
<p>(I am NOT, of course, suggesting that the brutal and senseless murder of David Kato is not an event of great importance; the unfolding story of the investigation into this foul crime is also highly &#8216;revealing&#8217; &#8211; especially given the different [premature] &#8216;explanations&#8217; that have been issued [with subsequent implied retractions following in their wake], and the unprecedented criticism of homophobia recently issued by the Inspector General of Police, who has described the activities of the likes of Muhame and Ssempa as &#8216;absolutely unacceptable&#8217;.)</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[A serious point now:



Nsubuga is reported to have said the following:-

&quot;Kato wanted me to be his lover which I completely refused because I was not pleased with what he was doing to fellow men.&quot;



This is interesting, because earlier claims said that N. had said that he and Kato were &#039;lovers&#039;.  The story is already changing, it would seem.  How much more &#039;change&#039; is to come?



I&#039;m &#039;spinning tales&#039;, am I?  What &#039;tales&#039; precisely?  Maybe you could &#039;spell it out&#039; for us, and then we can discuss thing on an item-by-item basis?  Yes?



Just to remind you, here is some of what the Inspector General is reported to have said:-



&#039; Kayihura added that police were &quot;not dismissing&quot; the hate crime theory and cautioned the public and Uganda&#039;s media against &quot;intolerance.&quot;



&#039; Last year Kato was named and pictured by an anti-gay tabloid called Rolling Stone in a story that carried the headline &quot;Hang Them&quot; in reference to gay rights campaigners.



&#039; &quot;Whoever is talking about hanging, we are going to have to take them on. It is absolutely unacceptable,&quot; Kayihura said.



&#039; Kayihura also admonished Anglican priest Thomas Musoke for anti-gay remarks made at Kato&#039;s funeral last week.



&#039; &quot;You don&#039;t make such statements at a funeral,&quot; he said. &quot;God accepts everybody ... you must be sensitive.&quot; &#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A serious point now:</p>
<p>Nsubuga is reported to have said the following:-</p>
<p>&#8220;Kato wanted me to be his lover which I completely refused because I was not pleased with what he was doing to fellow men.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is interesting, because earlier claims said that N. had said that he and Kato were &#8216;lovers&#8217;.  The story is already changing, it would seem.  How much more &#8216;change&#8217; is to come?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m &#8216;spinning tales&#8217;, am I?  What &#8216;tales&#8217; precisely?  Maybe you could &#8216;spell it out&#8217; for us, and then we can discuss thing on an item-by-item basis?  Yes?</p>
<p>Just to remind you, here is some of what the Inspector General is reported to have said:-</p>
<p>&#8216; Kayihura added that police were &#8220;not dismissing&#8221; the hate crime theory and cautioned the public and Uganda&#8217;s media against &#8220;intolerance.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216; Last year Kato was named and pictured by an anti-gay tabloid called Rolling Stone in a story that carried the headline &#8220;Hang Them&#8221; in reference to gay rights campaigners.</p>
<p>&#8216; &#8220;Whoever is talking about hanging, we are going to have to take them on. It is absolutely unacceptable,&#8221; Kayihura said.</p>
<p>&#8216; Kayihura also admonished Anglican priest Thomas Musoke for anti-gay remarks made at Kato&#8217;s funeral last week.</p>
<p>&#8216; &#8220;You don&#8217;t make such statements at a funeral,&#8221; he said. &#8220;God accepts everybody &#8230; you must be sensitive.&#8221; &#8216;</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maazi - You have a massive chip on your shoulder.



Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the only countries in the world which make homosexuality punishable by death are Islamic. Uganda would have been the first predominantly Christian nation to make that move. I don&#039;t think Ugandan were ever keen on gays but the move to eradicate homosexuality as if it were a toxin in the water supply started more recently. I would place it at about 2001-2002 when Scott Lively was invited by Stephen Langa to help support the Ugandan Pro-Family movement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maazi &#8211; You have a massive chip on your shoulder.</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the only countries in the world which make homosexuality punishable by death are Islamic. Uganda would have been the first predominantly Christian nation to make that move. I don&#8217;t think Ugandan were ever keen on gays but the move to eradicate homosexuality as if it were a toxin in the water supply started more recently. I would place it at about 2001-2002 when Scott Lively was invited by Stephen Langa to help support the Ugandan Pro-Family movement.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Those close to Kato have told me that Kato did not pay prostitutes and that the scenario developing around him is implausible&lt;/blockquote&gt;



And the Ugandan people are supposed to believe stories of gay sex advocates who are professional propagandist liars?



&lt;blockquote&gt;I suppose a gay panic type defense might be a strategic move in order to avoid the hangman.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Gay Panic Defence? You chaps in the West are good in inventing new words everyday. Let us run through the list----&quot;Homophobia&quot;, &quot;same-sex marriage&quot;, &quot;marriage equality&quot;, &quot;sexual minorities&quot;, &quot;LGBT rights&quot; and now this new word &quot;Gay Panic Defence&quot;. Keep up the inventions. May be we might just accept their validity here in Africa one day.



&lt;blockquote&gt;I am NOT, of course, suggesting that the brutal and senseless murder of David Kato is not an event of great importance; the unfolding story of the investigation into this foul crime is also highly &#039;revealing&#039; &#8211; especially given the different [premature] &#039;explanations&#039; that have been issued [with subsequent implied retractions following in their wake], and the unprecedented criticism of homophobia recently issued by the Inspector General of Police, who has described the activities of the likes of Muhame and Ssempa as &#039;absolutely unacceptable&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Keep spinning tales. Perhaps, we might just believe them one day !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Those close to Kato have told me that Kato did not pay prostitutes and that the scenario developing around him is implausible</p></blockquote>
<p>And the Ugandan people are supposed to believe stories of gay sex advocates who are professional propagandist liars?</p>
<blockquote><p>I suppose a gay panic type defense might be a strategic move in order to avoid the hangman.</p></blockquote>
<p>Gay Panic Defence? You chaps in the West are good in inventing new words everyday. Let us run through the list&#8212;-&#8220;Homophobia&#8221;, &#8220;same-sex marriage&#8221;, &#8220;marriage equality&#8221;, &#8220;sexual minorities&#8221;, &#8220;LGBT rights&#8221; and now this new word &#8220;Gay Panic Defence&#8221;. Keep up the inventions. May be we might just accept their validity here in Africa one day.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am NOT, of course, suggesting that the brutal and senseless murder of David Kato is not an event of great importance; the unfolding story of the investigation into this foul crime is also highly &#8216;revealing&#8217; &#8211; especially given the different [premature] &#8216;explanations&#8217; that have been issued [with subsequent implied retractions following in their wake], and the unprecedented criticism of homophobia recently issued by the Inspector General of Police, who has described the activities of the likes of Muhame and Ssempa as &#8216;absolutely unacceptable&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Keep spinning tales. Perhaps, we might just believe them one day !</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;Maazi&#039;



Little quiz for you, honey ...



Who said &quot;Homosexuals can forget about human rights.&quot;



Was it

A.  John-Baptist Odama

B.  Desmond Tutu

C.  Nelson Mandela

D.  Martin Luther King

E.  a seedy little Ugandan politician who will soon be an former MP ?



Answers on a post card to the Secretary-General of the U.N..  Closing date: 08/02/2011.



Good luck!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Maazi&#8217;</p>
<p>Little quiz for you, honey &#8230;</p>
<p>Who said &#8220;Homosexuals can forget about human rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was it</p>
<p>A.  John-Baptist Odama</p>
<p>B.  Desmond Tutu</p>
<p>C.  Nelson Mandela</p>
<p>D.  Martin Luther King</p>
<p>E.  a seedy little Ugandan politician who will soon be an former MP ?</p>
<p>Answers on a post card to the Secretary-General of the U.N..  Closing date: 08/02/2011.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[But thank you anyway, Ann!  How nice of you to say so.



Back to the substantive issue:-



Let us assume that

(a) David bailed Nsubuga out of prison (David was a generous person, by many accounts), and

(b) N. killed David.



A veritable avalanche of questions follow in the wake of these assumptions, among them:-

1. Why did David bail N. (and not someone else)?

2. Did &#039;someone&#039; advise N. to ask David for help?

3. If the answer to 2. is &#039;yes&#039;, who? And why?

4. From whom did David receive threats in the weeks before he was murdered?

5. Was the hacking of his Email, etc., designed to &#039;cover up&#039; the sources of those threats?

6. Did those who sent threats know N.?

and so on ...



It may be that &#039;justice&#039; must be sought for not only David Kato but also Enock Nsubuga, horrible though his alleged action was ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But thank you anyway, Ann!  How nice of you to say so.</p>
<p>Back to the substantive issue:-</p>
<p>Let us assume that</p>
<p>(a) David bailed Nsubuga out of prison (David was a generous person, by many accounts), and</p>
<p>(b) N. killed David.</p>
<p>A veritable avalanche of questions follow in the wake of these assumptions, among them:-</p>
<p>1. Why did David bail N. (and not someone else)?</p>
<p>2. Did &#8216;someone&#8217; advise N. to ask David for help?</p>
<p>3. If the answer to 2. is &#8216;yes&#8217;, who? And why?</p>
<p>4. From whom did David receive threats in the weeks before he was murdered?</p>
<p>5. Was the hacking of his Email, etc., designed to &#8216;cover up&#8217; the sources of those threats?</p>
<p>6. Did those who sent threats know N.?</p>
<p>and so on &#8230;</p>
<p>It may be that &#8216;justice&#8217; must be sought for not only David Kato but also Enock Nsubuga, horrible though his alleged action was &#8230;</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[But thank you anyway, Ann!  How nice of you to say so.



Back to the substantive issue:-



Let us assume that

(a) David bailed Nsubuga out of prison (David was a generous person, by many accounts), and

(b) N. killed David.



A veritable avalanche of questions follow in the wake of these assumptions, among them:-

1. Why did David bail N. (and not someone else)?

2. Did &#039;someone&#039; advise N. to ask David for help?

3. If the answer to 2. is &#039;yes&#039;, who? And why?

4. From whom did David receive threats in the weeks before he was murdered?

5. Was the hacking of his Email, etc., designed to &#039;cover up&#039; the sources of those threats?

6. Did those who sent threats know N.?

and so on ...



It may be that &#039;justice&#039; must be sought for not only David Kato but also Enock Nsubuga, horrible though his alleged action was ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But thank you anyway, Ann!  How nice of you to say so.</p>
<p>Back to the substantive issue:-</p>
<p>Let us assume that</p>
<p>(a) David bailed Nsubuga out of prison (David was a generous person, by many accounts), and</p>
<p>(b) N. killed David.</p>
<p>A veritable avalanche of questions follow in the wake of these assumptions, among them:-</p>
<p>1. Why did David bail N. (and not someone else)?</p>
<p>2. Did &#8216;someone&#8217; advise N. to ask David for help?</p>
<p>3. If the answer to 2. is &#8216;yes&#8217;, who? And why?</p>
<p>4. From whom did David receive threats in the weeks before he was murdered?</p>
<p>5. Was the hacking of his Email, etc., designed to &#8216;cover up&#8217; the sources of those threats?</p>
<p>6. Did those who sent threats know N.?</p>
<p>and so on &#8230;</p>
<p>It may be that &#8216;justice&#8217; must be sought for not only David Kato but also Enock Nsubuga, horrible though his alleged action was &#8230;</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have you ever been to Cleethorpes??!!]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have you ever been to Cleethorpes??!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever been to Cleethorpes??!!</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;FIRST PRIZE: Dinner with RW;

SECOND PRIZE: A (very clean) weekend in Cleethorpes with RW;

THIRD PRIZE: A five week safari through the Grampians with RW (no camping allowed).&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Richard Willmer,



I wish I had the knowledge to answer the quiz - these prizes look great!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>FIRST PRIZE: Dinner with RW;</p>
<p>SECOND PRIZE: A (very clean) weekend in Cleethorpes with RW;</p>
<p>THIRD PRIZE: A five week safari through the Grampians with RW (no camping allowed).</p></blockquote>
<p>Richard Willmer,</p>
<p>I wish I had the knowledge to answer the quiz &#8211; these prizes look great!</p>
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