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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoops ... I meant &#039;advice&#039;, not &#039;advise&#039;.  (I&#039;m British!)



You were in the UK for a time, weren&#039;t you, Maazi?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops &#8230; I meant &#8216;advice&#8217;, not &#8216;advise&#8217;.  (I&#8217;m British!)</p>
<p>You were in the UK for a time, weren&#8217;t you, Maazi?</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You may be right, Stephen.

Generally, he argues his bad case rather well, although he has slipped up once or twice - for example when, on another thread, he cited the WHO as an authority only hours before dismissing it as &#039;western&#039; (his highest form of insult, it seems).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right, Stephen.</p>
<p>Generally, he argues his bad case rather well, although he has slipped up once or twice &#8211; for example when, on another thread, he cited the WHO as an authority only hours before dismissing it as &#8216;western&#8217; (his highest form of insult, it seems).</p>
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		By: stephen		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard, I&#039;m convinced that &#039;Maazi&#039; is a gay boy living in Georgetown posting hilarious satires here of extreme anti-gay language to expose the hypocrisy behind much of the current nonsense being spouted in the States on the same subject. His preposterous notion that American gay men are somehow &#039;recruiting&#039; boys in Uganda is only a hop, skip and a jump away from the claptrap coming out of the &#039;ex-gay&#039; ministries here, for example. Plus, he captures perfectly the tone of the aggrieved, petty official of a post-colonial kleptocracy. I say bravo. The idea that he could possibly mean what he writes to be literally true is, of course, too appalling to contemplate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I&#8217;m convinced that &#8216;Maazi&#8217; is a gay boy living in Georgetown posting hilarious satires here of extreme anti-gay language to expose the hypocrisy behind much of the current nonsense being spouted in the States on the same subject. His preposterous notion that American gay men are somehow &#8216;recruiting&#8217; boys in Uganda is only a hop, skip and a jump away from the claptrap coming out of the &#8216;ex-gay&#8217; ministries here, for example. Plus, he captures perfectly the tone of the aggrieved, petty official of a post-colonial kleptocracy. I say bravo. The idea that he could possibly mean what he writes to be literally true is, of course, too appalling to contemplate.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You were in the UK for a time, weren&#039;t you, Maazi?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Yes. I did my post-graduate research degree there. No, I will not tell you the name of the university for obvious reasons. But it is well-known for scientific/engineering research. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, it seems that foreigners who backed those in the &#039;anti-gay&#039; lobby are now withdrawing (actually, diverting) support. Martin Ssempa has lost both US and Dutch support, according to the UG press.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



This is a personal matter for Dr. Martin Ssempa to deal with.  I do not see how this has any bearing on the Ugandan people&#039;s resolve that gayism remain a criminal offence.You seem too interested in the opinions of some individuals rather than the opinion of the Ugandan masses. It would be great if the euro-american gay lobby can follow the cue of their anti-gay colleagues and withdraw support from our local gay sex militants.



&lt;blockquote&gt;Distributing fliers inviting people to seek advise if they wish to do so is NOT &#039;imposing&#039; anything, by the way. It is merely an offer of advise and, maybe, assistance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



In Uganda, most people see that action as &quot;child recruitment into gay lifestyle&quot;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Threatening people with life imprisonment or death by hanging is quite a different matter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



A well-revised Bahati Bill will eliminate crudities and fashion a sharp instrument to beat the cross-border challenge posed by the Euro-American gay lobby.



&lt;blockquote&gt;You may be right, Stephen.

Generally, he argues his bad case rather well, although he has slipped up once or twice &#8211; for example when, on another thread, he cited the WHO as an authority only hours before dismissing it as &#039;western&#039; (his highest form of insult, it seems).&lt;/blockquote&gt;



It seems Stephen has hypnotized you into his world of crass delusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You were in the UK for a time, weren&#8217;t you, Maazi?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. I did my post-graduate research degree there. No, I will not tell you the name of the university for obvious reasons. But it is well-known for scientific/engineering research. </p>
<blockquote><p>Well, it seems that foreigners who backed those in the &#8216;anti-gay&#8217; lobby are now withdrawing (actually, diverting) support. Martin Ssempa has lost both US and Dutch support, according to the UG press.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a personal matter for Dr. Martin Ssempa to deal with.  I do not see how this has any bearing on the Ugandan people&#8217;s resolve that gayism remain a criminal offence.You seem too interested in the opinions of some individuals rather than the opinion of the Ugandan masses. It would be great if the euro-american gay lobby can follow the cue of their anti-gay colleagues and withdraw support from our local gay sex militants.</p>
<blockquote><p>Distributing fliers inviting people to seek advise if they wish to do so is NOT &#8216;imposing&#8217; anything, by the way. It is merely an offer of advise and, maybe, assistance.</p></blockquote>
<p>In Uganda, most people see that action as &#8220;child recruitment into gay lifestyle&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>Threatening people with life imprisonment or death by hanging is quite a different matter.</p></blockquote>
<p>A well-revised Bahati Bill will eliminate crudities and fashion a sharp instrument to beat the cross-border challenge posed by the Euro-American gay lobby.</p>
<blockquote><p>You may be right, Stephen.</p>
<p>Generally, he argues his bad case rather well, although he has slipped up once or twice &#8211; for example when, on another thread, he cited the WHO as an authority only hours before dismissing it as &#8216;western&#8217; (his highest form of insult, it seems).</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems Stephen has hypnotized you into his world of crass delusion.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you.



I have reread your posts and am still not clear on your position re. 1. and 2..  Why not answer &#039;yes&#039; or &#039;no&#039;.



Re. 3.: I&#039;ll leave things were they are.



Re. 4.: YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.  I was asking if you really believe it is credible to equate handing out leaflets with sexual abuse/exploitation/recruitment, and not whether you agreed with the distribution leaflets (clearly you do not).

Why not show us one of these leaflets, and we could then analyse its contents?



Re. 5.: Don&#039;t quite understand your answer, but never mind.



So you&#039;re currently doing research in the UK then?  (I&#039;ve noticed that we keep similar hours.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>I have reread your posts and am still not clear on your position re. 1. and 2..  Why not answer &#8216;yes&#8217; or &#8216;no&#8217;.</p>
<p>Re. 3.: I&#8217;ll leave things were they are.</p>
<p>Re. 4.: YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.  I was asking if you really believe it is credible to equate handing out leaflets with sexual abuse/exploitation/recruitment, and not whether you agreed with the distribution leaflets (clearly you do not).</p>
<p>Why not show us one of these leaflets, and we could then analyse its contents?</p>
<p>Re. 5.: Don&#8217;t quite understand your answer, but never mind.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re currently doing research in the UK then?  (I&#8217;ve noticed that we keep similar hours.)</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The power of the press...in service of propaganda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power of the press&#8230;in service of propaganda.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[And I didn&#039;t say I agreed with Stephen ... I merely said that what he said might be true.  I have my own theory about who you might be ... but I&#039;ll keep that to myself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I didn&#8217;t say I agreed with Stephen &#8230; I merely said that what he said might be true.  I have my own theory about who you might be &#8230; but I&#8217;ll keep that to myself.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The power of the press&#8230;in service of propaganda.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I completely agree. However I will add that pro-gay blogs operated by proxies of the Euro-American gay lobby are mirror images of the tabloids such as the Rolling Stone and Red Pepper]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The power of the press&#8230;in service of propaganda.</p></blockquote>
<p>I completely agree. However I will add that pro-gay blogs operated by proxies of the Euro-American gay lobby are mirror images of the tabloids such as the Rolling Stone and Red Pepper</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Hello again, Maazi.

You seem to suggest that Muhame is acting contrary to Uganda&#039;s national interest. Is that you view? If so, I agree with you.Are we correct to understand that you condemn Muhame&#039;s actions?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Richard Willmer,



Muhame&#039;s action has nothing to do with any national interest in my opinion. What Muhame is doing is not ethically right. It is as simple as that. Nothing more. Perhaps, Muhame&#039;s action has something to do with the national (gay) interest of Western nations?



&lt;blockquote&gt;I suppose the one GOOD thing about all this is that the &#039;recruitment&#039; propaganda is now thoroughly discredited &#039;by association&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Not really. It would be discredited when the sex deviants stop their subtle advertisement of their abhorrent lifestyles. Stop the clandestine distribution of fliers calling on vulnerable young people &quot;confused with their sexuality&quot; to get in touch with them.



&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course those of us with African friends (and I have many) do not for a moment think that all Africans are like Bahati, Buturo and Muhame. We KNOW otherwise. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Most Africans do not want gayism imposed on them via legal enshrinement. They do not appreciate Western obsession with this depraved lifestyle.This antipathy towards gayism cuts across religious, socio-economic, ethnic and  gender lines. While many may think that the original Bahati Bill is far too extreme, they generally share the view that gayism should never be allowed a foot through the door. Your  &quot;African friends&quot;---if they exist--- are in the infinitesimal minority and probably share with you a strong euro-centric worldview.



&lt;blockquote&gt;Furthermore, my somewhat dim view of the three unsavoury characters I&#039;ve mentioned (let&#039;s not forget that Buturo was a buddy of Obote before he became a chum of M7, after a spell of some years in certain western country) is shared by many Ugandans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I am not a fan of Buturo or even our eternal President. But we are talking of gayism here not the personality of James Buturo. This is the issue that unites all African people. It is probably one of the few areas where incumbent governments and political opposition in many African nations are in complete agreement. In Zimbabwe, even Robert Mugabe and his mortal enemy Morgan Tsvangirai agree on this matter. In Uganda, the Bahati bill was a designed by a member of the ruling NRM party and co-sponsored by a member of UPC party. UPC is the party of former President Milton Obote who fought a deadly war with NRM in the 1980s. I have no doubt that Kizza Besigye&#039;s view on this matter is not so far from that of his archenemy President Museveni



&lt;blockquote&gt;It was Scott Lively who came to UG with &#039;guidance&#039;, not us! We&#039;re trying to help, by providing information and fair-minded comment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Scott Lively was invited by the Ugandan Parliament in 2009 to give his views on an anti-gay bill which was already in the works following foreign-directed gay militancy which began around 2005 and had intensified by 2007. That invitation is no different to US Congress inviting certain foreign personalities to address them. Scott Lively was not there to provide any &quot;guidance&quot; to the Ugandan people. He was there to share his opinions on the matter.  Your statement is just an example of what I have been saying about the average westerner&#039;s view of Africans....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hello again, Maazi.</p>
<p>You seem to suggest that Muhame is acting contrary to Uganda&#8217;s national interest. Is that you view? If so, I agree with you.Are we correct to understand that you condemn Muhame&#8217;s actions?</p></blockquote>
<p>Richard Willmer,</p>
<p>Muhame&#8217;s action has nothing to do with any national interest in my opinion. What Muhame is doing is not ethically right. It is as simple as that. Nothing more. Perhaps, Muhame&#8217;s action has something to do with the national (gay) interest of Western nations?</p>
<blockquote><p>I suppose the one GOOD thing about all this is that the &#8216;recruitment&#8217; propaganda is now thoroughly discredited &#8216;by association&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not really. It would be discredited when the sex deviants stop their subtle advertisement of their abhorrent lifestyles. Stop the clandestine distribution of fliers calling on vulnerable young people &#8220;confused with their sexuality&#8221; to get in touch with them.</p>
<blockquote><p>Of course those of us with African friends (and I have many) do not for a moment think that all Africans are like Bahati, Buturo and Muhame. We KNOW otherwise. </p></blockquote>
<p>Most Africans do not want gayism imposed on them via legal enshrinement. They do not appreciate Western obsession with this depraved lifestyle.This antipathy towards gayism cuts across religious, socio-economic, ethnic and  gender lines. While many may think that the original Bahati Bill is far too extreme, they generally share the view that gayism should never be allowed a foot through the door. Your  &#8220;African friends&#8221;&#8212;if they exist&#8212; are in the infinitesimal minority and probably share with you a strong euro-centric worldview.</p>
<blockquote><p>Furthermore, my somewhat dim view of the three unsavoury characters I&#8217;ve mentioned (let&#8217;s not forget that Buturo was a buddy of Obote before he became a chum of M7, after a spell of some years in certain western country) is shared by many Ugandans.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not a fan of Buturo or even our eternal President. But we are talking of gayism here not the personality of James Buturo. This is the issue that unites all African people. It is probably one of the few areas where incumbent governments and political opposition in many African nations are in complete agreement. In Zimbabwe, even Robert Mugabe and his mortal enemy Morgan Tsvangirai agree on this matter. In Uganda, the Bahati bill was a designed by a member of the ruling NRM party and co-sponsored by a member of UPC party. UPC is the party of former President Milton Obote who fought a deadly war with NRM in the 1980s. I have no doubt that Kizza Besigye&#8217;s view on this matter is not so far from that of his archenemy President Museveni</p>
<blockquote><p>It was Scott Lively who came to UG with &#8216;guidance&#8217;, not us! We&#8217;re trying to help, by providing information and fair-minded comment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Scott Lively was invited by the Ugandan Parliament in 2009 to give his views on an anti-gay bill which was already in the works following foreign-directed gay militancy which began around 2005 and had intensified by 2007. That invitation is no different to US Congress inviting certain foreign personalities to address them. Scott Lively was not there to provide any &#8220;guidance&#8221; to the Ugandan people. He was there to share his opinions on the matter.  Your statement is just an example of what I have been saying about the average westerner&#8217;s view of Africans&#8230;.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maazi

We are not telling lies.  People like Lively, Bahati and Muhame are.  That&#039;s the difference!  And it&#039;s a key difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maazi</p>
<p>We are not telling lies.  People like Lively, Bahati and Muhame are.  That&#8217;s the difference!  And it&#8217;s a key difference.</p>
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