SIT is an appropriate way for people to deal with unwanted SSA, as well as therapy to help people accept their orientation

Agreed.

Prior to the framework…the APA provided no guidelines, none.

JIM and NARTH are creations, in part, out of years of neglect by the APA. This neglect was not passive, it was active and focused generally on the religiously devout as “mentally weak and superstitious” (see the DSM III for numerous religious examples of mental illness). The data now refutes those longstanding assumptions and the APA is moving in the right direction.

A community will always seek to be heard and helped. Even if that help is flawed, or politicized or spiritualized or poorly informed.

GLBTQ folks should understand that more than anyone…

I believe Warren did a factor analysis of events associated with SSA and found that this factor was the best predictor of the association, much stronger than the Distant Father, Engulfing Mother hypothesis.

I believe the rather cynical article that David Roberts refers to here: http://www.alternet.org/story/146557/?page=entire

he describes rather ignorantly as “shit-talk typical of high school kids” is where the program seeks to deal with peer ridicule for what it is, cruel.

David Roberts, Jayhuck, Timothy and others…your remarks about bullying on other posts could inform the author of the article more clearly about what it is like to be gender atypical and ridiculed.

The author is trying to uncover perceived fraud while being a fraud himself. This is the nature of investigative journalism, but it does effect the lens with which he rights. He knows someone is being dishonest and misleading…and we know for sure that he is. Sometimes when you spot it…you got it.

And to Timothy…I said before, this is no echo chamber and you have proved my point. The echo chamber is in your community.

Regarding Mr. Cox’s reflections on JIM. I have read his article and see it for it’s flaws and strengths.

Regarding Dr. Kort, I believe as a gay affirmative therapist he may have found Warrior Weekends helpful for gay men in building a spiritual and safe community to deal with the bigotries and humiliation inflicted on gay men in other masculine communities.

He does not appear to be creepy or cultish, but thoughtful and compassionate.

If you don’t like him, I suggest you openly repudiate him on your Blog and expose what you believe is his exploitation and manipulation of gay men through Warriors.

In the mean time, take your name calling mob elsewhere.

David Roberts, Jayhuck, Timothy and others…your remarks about bullying on other posts could inform the author of the article more clearly about what it is like to be gender atypical and ridiculed.

I wasn’t gender a-typical

I’m just bemused when intelligent thinking people take it seriously.

Which leads back to my original comments to Blakeslee.

A community will always seek to be heard and helped. Even if that help is flawed, or politicized or spiritualized or poorly informed.

GLBTQ folks should understand that more than anyone…

In regards to “cultish.” I would ask you to consider a gay affirmative man who is a thoughtful and reasoned clinician who speaks nationally on issues of sexuality

Joe Kort, Ph.D. LCSW

He endorses the Mankind Project…I think he has participated and led weekends. It might be good to get him to comment here.

http://www.joekort.com/links.htm

You’ll also find that he endorses Ex-gay Watch, David Roberts…is he one of your creepy cult leaders?

Rich Wyler, used by permission.