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	Comments on: Rabbi Shmuley Boteach gets it: How evangelicals lost political credibility	</title>
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		By: Debbie Thurman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh boy. This thing got a tad heated up while I checked out. Lots to do today, so I will have to refrain from wading in any deeper. Please take no offense at or do not misinterpret my refusal to engage. I just haven&#039;t the time. And, I also can see clearly that this will only head in the direction where so many of these jump-the-shark discussions go as it continues. 



It&#039;s unfortunate that we so easily get our backs up (but we do sometimes need to get our backs up) without just taking a bit of time to consider how debate-as-usual will come off here. I think I see what David B. was saying, and I don&#039;t believe he meant any gross offense by it. For Pete&#039;s sake, you can&#039;t sit around worrying over how every single word or phrase or idea will be received when we all agree that the stakes are so high at this time in history. Sit, think, pray and then hit the button, if you must. Sometimes we need to do more of those three things before shouting.



When the shouting commences, as it always will, the listening usually ceases. The political process, as our Founders conceived it, is supposed to be big enough and good enough to handle these pendulum swings. The process is one thing. Human nature is another.



FWIW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy. This thing got a tad heated up while I checked out. Lots to do today, so I will have to refrain from wading in any deeper. Please take no offense at or do not misinterpret my refusal to engage. I just haven&#8217;t the time. And, I also can see clearly that this will only head in the direction where so many of these jump-the-shark discussions go as it continues. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that we so easily get our backs up (but we do sometimes need to get our backs up) without just taking a bit of time to consider how debate-as-usual will come off here. I think I see what David B. was saying, and I don&#8217;t believe he meant any gross offense by it. For Pete&#8217;s sake, you can&#8217;t sit around worrying over how every single word or phrase or idea will be received when we all agree that the stakes are so high at this time in history. Sit, think, pray and then hit the button, if you must. Sometimes we need to do more of those three things before shouting.</p>
<p>When the shouting commences, as it always will, the listening usually ceases. The political process, as our Founders conceived it, is supposed to be big enough and good enough to handle these pendulum swings. The process is one thing. Human nature is another.</p>
<p>FWIW.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And honestly - I doubt I will have any sympathy for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And honestly &#8211; I doubt I will have any sympathy for them.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[David R - 



What a wonderful Biblical passage!  One has to wonder how so many Christians have missed this admonition.



Debbie,



I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ll read that book, but I have read several different pieces from the authors.  I actually appreciate much of what they have to say.  They seem to be far more fair than most.



&lt;a href=&quot;http://alaskadispatch.com/culture/books/7343-review-city-of-man-politics-and-religion-in-a-new-era&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is a balanced and thoughtful review of that book - City Of Man...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David R &#8211; </p>
<p>What a wonderful Biblical passage!  One has to wonder how so many Christians have missed this admonition.</p>
<p>Debbie,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ll read that book, but I have read several different pieces from the authors.  I actually appreciate much of what they have to say.  They seem to be far more fair than most.</p>
<p><a href="http://alaskadispatch.com/culture/books/7343-review-city-of-man-politics-and-religion-in-a-new-era" rel="nofollow">Here is a balanced and thoughtful review of that book &#8211; City Of Man&#8230;</a></p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Warren,



In regards to Screwtape...boy, I don&#039;t know how to put that all together.



C.S. Lewis is a genius, but...



There have been many Christians who have been quite active in politics for centuries under the rubric of bringing the Kingdom of Heaven here (i.e. living out the Sermon on the Mount and the Two Commandments).



Many reformation movements, from the right of women to vote, to prohibition, to ending slavery to civil rights have Christian proponents...



The establishment of the US was born of a trail of tears by many protestant faiths persecuted in their home countries in Europe.



Western Europe, as we know it today, would not exist...there would be no Socialist Europe post WWII.  England would have been starved out and HItler and Stalin would have fought to a stalemate, or worse.



Some Christian Virtues become Political Crusades...for good reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Warren,</p>
<p>In regards to Screwtape&#8230;boy, I don&#8217;t know how to put that all together.</p>
<p>C.S. Lewis is a genius, but&#8230;</p>
<p>There have been many Christians who have been quite active in politics for centuries under the rubric of bringing the Kingdom of Heaven here (i.e. living out the Sermon on the Mount and the Two Commandments).</p>
<p>Many reformation movements, from the right of women to vote, to prohibition, to ending slavery to civil rights have Christian proponents&#8230;</p>
<p>The establishment of the US was born of a trail of tears by many protestant faiths persecuted in their home countries in Europe.</p>
<p>Western Europe, as we know it today, would not exist&#8230;there would be no Socialist Europe post WWII.  England would have been starved out and HItler and Stalin would have fought to a stalemate, or worse.</p>
<p>Some Christian Virtues become Political Crusades&#8230;for good reason.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Timothy and Jayhuck,



France does not have Same Sex marriage...hateful?



Civil unions...I think.



Like California...



Like Oregon...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Timothy and Jayhuck,</p>
<p>France does not have Same Sex marriage&#8230;hateful?</p>
<p>Civil unions&#8230;I think.</p>
<p>Like California&#8230;</p>
<p>Like Oregon&#8230;</p>
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