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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/09/30/narth-2010-schoenewolf-returns/#comment-89860</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Frank, 



2 things.  1, many conference publications are peer-reviewed, and like journals, the quality of that review depends on the quality of the conference.  



However, more importantly, there is a quote (don&#039;t remember where I stole it from) I think you should read: 



&quot;If you wade into the middle of a pig-sty to argue with a pig, even if you &lt;em&gt;win&lt;/em&gt; the argument you will still end up looking like a fool.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, </p>
<p>2 things.  1, many conference publications are peer-reviewed, and like journals, the quality of that review depends on the quality of the conference.  </p>
<p>However, more importantly, there is a quote (don&#8217;t remember where I stole it from) I think you should read: </p>
<p>&#8220;If you wade into the middle of a pig-sty to argue with a pig, even if you <em>win</em> the argument you will still end up looking like a fool.&#8221;</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/09/30/narth-2010-schoenewolf-returns/#comment-89857</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Rare...possible...no shame.



These are words you will never hear at NARTH.



Thanks Warren, for everything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rare&#8230;possible&#8230;no shame.</p>
<p>These are words you will never hear at NARTH.</p>
<p>Thanks Warren, for everything.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Maazi, I have a doctorate in Mathematics and I&#039;ve a published articles in refereed journals in probability and statistics. I&#039;ve served on the math faculty of Princeton and the faculty of the Courant Institute of Mathematical Science at New York University. I&#039;d certainly qualify as an expert witness on the subject of statistics.



You&#039;re out of your depth, puny man.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



 Frank, 

So what if you have doctorate in Mathematics?!! I have a Masters Degree by Research in Electrical Engineering from a well-known British University and I have presented research papers in several international conferences on electrical/electronics engineering. Anyone who knows about research knows how easily data can be bent to fit dubious theories that is why peer-review teams have been busy dismissing pro-gay nonsense presented all the time in the name of science (e.g &quot;gay gene&quot; research). 



BTW, I worked and lived in the United States and understand how you homosexual lobbyists bully people who disagree with your abhorrent and highly dangerous sexual behaviour which breeds HIV/AIDS---a factor  your politically correct government is forced  to take into account when banning sex deviants from blood donation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maazi, I have a doctorate in Mathematics and I&#8217;ve a published articles in refereed journals in probability and statistics. I&#8217;ve served on the math faculty of Princeton and the faculty of the Courant Institute of Mathematical Science at New York University. I&#8217;d certainly qualify as an expert witness on the subject of statistics.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re out of your depth, puny man.</p></blockquote>
<p> Frank, </p>
<p>So what if you have doctorate in Mathematics?!! I have a Masters Degree by Research in Electrical Engineering from a well-known British University and I have presented research papers in several international conferences on electrical/electronics engineering. Anyone who knows about research knows how easily data can be bent to fit dubious theories that is why peer-review teams have been busy dismissing pro-gay nonsense presented all the time in the name of science (e.g &#8220;gay gene&#8221; research). </p>
<p>BTW, I worked and lived in the United States and understand how you homosexual lobbyists bully people who disagree with your abhorrent and highly dangerous sexual behaviour which breeds HIV/AIDS&#8212;a factor  your politically correct government is forced  to take into account when banning sex deviants from blood donation.</p>
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		By: coldweatherisfun		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding  Dr. Gerald Schoenwolf&#039;s slavery comments-he didn&#039;t say that slavery was good.  What he said about slavery is that it was practiced by most societies @ that time incl. Africa.  For a long time, slavery was Africans enslaving Africans, Whites enslaving Whites, &#038; it was worldwide.



OK, his comment that African slaves being kidnapped &#038; being brought here as coming to a better life was out of line.  In this nation, slavery was a status that you were born with which depended on whether a mom was free or a slave with few chances of achieving freedom, while in other nations slavery was the result of war &#038; freedom could be won. 



Here&#039;s something on slavery that Dr. Gerald Schoenwolf should have said.  What he should&#039;ve said or may have meant is that slaveowners must be judged by the standards of their time &#038; not by our time.  Yes, slavery was bad &#038; it was finally abolished.  Our Founding Father, President George Washington owned slaves &#038; did he finally free them?  Given the fact that slave owners did what during that time period was legal &#038; acceptable, then shouldn&#039;t they incl. President George Washington be judged by the standards of the 18th Century rather than by our time?  



This is asked because controversy arises over Columbus day.  It&#039;s my view that Christopher Columbus must be judged from the standpoint of the 15th Century &#038; not by our times.  It has been my observation that many people who critique Christopher Columbus often will say that the Aztec, Inca &#038; Mayan human sacrifices must be judged by the standards of their time, while not giving the same benefit to Christopher Columbus who did much less.  In Mexico, they have tourist attractions of the pyramids where the Aztec human sacrifices took place.



The main point of this is that whether it&#039;s slavery, Christopher Columbus, or the human sacrifice practices, shouldn&#039;t people of history be judged by the standards of their time &#038; not ours?  Yes, what happened in the past is horrible, but that was in the past &#038; let&#039;s judge people of the past by the standards of then &#038; not now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding  Dr. Gerald Schoenwolf&#8217;s slavery comments-he didn&#8217;t say that slavery was good.  What he said about slavery is that it was practiced by most societies @ that time incl. Africa.  For a long time, slavery was Africans enslaving Africans, Whites enslaving Whites, &#038; it was worldwide.</p>
<p>OK, his comment that African slaves being kidnapped &#038; being brought here as coming to a better life was out of line.  In this nation, slavery was a status that you were born with which depended on whether a mom was free or a slave with few chances of achieving freedom, while in other nations slavery was the result of war &#038; freedom could be won. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something on slavery that Dr. Gerald Schoenwolf should have said.  What he should&#8217;ve said or may have meant is that slaveowners must be judged by the standards of their time &#038; not by our time.  Yes, slavery was bad &#038; it was finally abolished.  Our Founding Father, President George Washington owned slaves &#038; did he finally free them?  Given the fact that slave owners did what during that time period was legal &#038; acceptable, then shouldn&#8217;t they incl. President George Washington be judged by the standards of the 18th Century rather than by our time?  </p>
<p>This is asked because controversy arises over Columbus day.  It&#8217;s my view that Christopher Columbus must be judged from the standpoint of the 15th Century &#038; not by our times.  It has been my observation that many people who critique Christopher Columbus often will say that the Aztec, Inca &#038; Mayan human sacrifices must be judged by the standards of their time, while not giving the same benefit to Christopher Columbus who did much less.  In Mexico, they have tourist attractions of the pyramids where the Aztec human sacrifices took place.</p>
<p>The main point of this is that whether it&#8217;s slavery, Christopher Columbus, or the human sacrifice practices, shouldn&#8217;t people of history be judged by the standards of their time &#038; not ours?  Yes, what happened in the past is horrible, but that was in the past &#038; let&#8217;s judge people of the past by the standards of then &#038; not now.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren, 



Since you did not block the personal abuse heaped on me by Frank, I will return the favour to him with stronger vehemence. Please bear with me. Thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren, </p>
<p>Since you did not block the personal abuse heaped on me by Frank, I will return the favour to him with stronger vehemence. Please bear with me. Thanks</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[A colleague once said that his functional definition of a fundamentalist is anyone who  hates statistics.  The ex-gay therapy movement wouldn&#039;t exist without antipathy toward a statistical view of science.  After all, if &quot;conversion&quot; were consistently definable and &quot;conversion rates&quot; were statistically significant and practically significant in a reasonable period of time (years vs. decades), conversion therapy would be not only popular, but self-financing.



However, conversion therapy meets none of these criteria.  The most its ethical practitioners (there really is only one) can say of successes is that they &quot;exist.&quot;



This makes the subject of conversion therapy not fringe science, but not science at all.  It does not meet the criterion of falsfiability that every legitimate science meets.  It does not offer a well-defined hypothesis that can be demonstrated true or false by data.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A colleague once said that his functional definition of a fundamentalist is anyone who  hates statistics.  The ex-gay therapy movement wouldn&#8217;t exist without antipathy toward a statistical view of science.  After all, if &#8220;conversion&#8221; were consistently definable and &#8220;conversion rates&#8221; were statistically significant and practically significant in a reasonable period of time (years vs. decades), conversion therapy would be not only popular, but self-financing.</p>
<p>However, conversion therapy meets none of these criteria.  The most its ethical practitioners (there really is only one) can say of successes is that they &#8220;exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>This makes the subject of conversion therapy not fringe science, but not science at all.  It does not meet the criterion of falsfiability that every legitimate science meets.  It does not offer a well-defined hypothesis that can be demonstrated true or false by data.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Hooray! Maazi&#039;s back and upping the comedy ante. My bet is that he&#039;s a gay boy in DC. Total satire and very well done. Plus the fake tone of &#039;outrage&#039; is perfectly judged. Are we sure he&#039;s not from ChristianWire? I think he might be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Now Timothy, the above tirade from your fellow gay propagandist is what you should rightly call delusional and schizophrenic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hooray! Maazi&#8217;s back and upping the comedy ante. My bet is that he&#8217;s a gay boy in DC. Total satire and very well done. Plus the fake tone of &#8216;outrage&#8217; is perfectly judged. Are we sure he&#8217;s not from ChristianWire? I think he might be.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now Timothy, the above tirade from your fellow gay propagandist is what you should rightly call delusional and schizophrenic.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maazi,



Nearly every sentence you wrote was factually incorrect.  I doubt much that you care.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maazi,</p>
<p>Nearly every sentence you wrote was factually incorrect.  I doubt much that you care.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Maazi, your presumption amuses me. In 1984 when the cause of AIDS became public knowledge,I took an oath that I would not have sex to avoid getting or transmitting the virus. I’ve kept that oath ever since&lt;/blockquote&gt;



You are cordially invited to Uganda to coach local sodomites on how to stop engaging in abhorrent sexual activity which is a sex crime with maximum penalty of life imprisonment. I am sure your coaching skills will be much appreciated by the sex deviant in-charge of GayUganda, SMUG and other advocates of sex crimes. Make sure you administer the oath of celibacy on them at the end of your coaching sessions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maazi, your presumption amuses me. In 1984 when the cause of AIDS became public knowledge,I took an oath that I would not have sex to avoid getting or transmitting the virus. I’ve kept that oath ever since</p></blockquote>
<p>You are cordially invited to Uganda to coach local sodomites on how to stop engaging in abhorrent sexual activity which is a sex crime with maximum penalty of life imprisonment. I am sure your coaching skills will be much appreciated by the sex deviant in-charge of GayUganda, SMUG and other advocates of sex crimes. Make sure you administer the oath of celibacy on them at the end of your coaching sessions.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;In Africa the vast majority of HIV/AIDS is heterosexual.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I never disputed that reality, but we now know that male bisexuality is an important contributor to HIV/AIDS pandemic, hence new attempts by euro-american gay propagandists and allied NGOs to cajole African governments into decriminalizing gayism in the name of fighting AIDS. The lobbyists hope that their new strategy will work better than the failed strategy of falsely linking decriminalization of gayism with  &quot;human rights&quot;.



&lt;blockquote&gt;West Africa has been less affected by HIV and AIDS, but some countries are experiencing rising HIV prevalence rates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



West African countries have stringent laws, which are applied effectively to beat gayism into stupor. In Northern Nigeria, gayism is an offence punishable by the death penalty. Senegal and Gambia which have extremely low HIV/AIDS rates also have very harsh punishments for gay sex practitioners. Meanwhile, gay-friendly South Africa is drowning in what is actually a HIV/AIDS epidemic with over 20% HIV/AIDS infection rates.



&lt;blockquote&gt;Cameroon HIV prevalence is now estimated at 5.1% and in Gabon it stands at 5.9%.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Cameroun and Gabon are not  in West Africa. They are Central African States.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In Africa the vast majority of HIV/AIDS is heterosexual.</p></blockquote>
<p>I never disputed that reality, but we now know that male bisexuality is an important contributor to HIV/AIDS pandemic, hence new attempts by euro-american gay propagandists and allied NGOs to cajole African governments into decriminalizing gayism in the name of fighting AIDS. The lobbyists hope that their new strategy will work better than the failed strategy of falsely linking decriminalization of gayism with  &#8220;human rights&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>West Africa has been less affected by HIV and AIDS, but some countries are experiencing rising HIV prevalence rates.</p></blockquote>
<p>West African countries have stringent laws, which are applied effectively to beat gayism into stupor. In Northern Nigeria, gayism is an offence punishable by the death penalty. Senegal and Gambia which have extremely low HIV/AIDS rates also have very harsh punishments for gay sex practitioners. Meanwhile, gay-friendly South Africa is drowning in what is actually a HIV/AIDS epidemic with over 20% HIV/AIDS infection rates.</p>
<blockquote><p>Cameroon HIV prevalence is now estimated at 5.1% and in Gabon it stands at 5.9%.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cameroun and Gabon are not  in West Africa. They are Central African States.</p>
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