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		By: Frank		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[A colleague once said that his functional definition of a fundamentalist is anyone who  hates statistics.  The ex-gay therapy movement wouldn&#039;t exist without antipathy toward a statistical view of science.  After all, if &quot;conversion&quot; were consistently definable and &quot;conversion rates&quot; were statistically significant and practically significant in a reasonable period of time (years vs. decades), conversion therapy would be not only popular, but self-financing.



However, conversion therapy meets none of these criteria.  The most its ethical practitioners (there really is only one) can say of successes is that they &quot;exist.&quot;



This makes the subject of conversion therapy not fringe science, but not science at all.  It does not meet the criterion of falsfiability that every legitimate science meets.  It does not offer a well-defined hypothesis that can be demonstrated true or false by data.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A colleague once said that his functional definition of a fundamentalist is anyone who  hates statistics.  The ex-gay therapy movement wouldn&#8217;t exist without antipathy toward a statistical view of science.  After all, if &#8220;conversion&#8221; were consistently definable and &#8220;conversion rates&#8221; were statistically significant and practically significant in a reasonable period of time (years vs. decades), conversion therapy would be not only popular, but self-financing.</p>
<p>However, conversion therapy meets none of these criteria.  The most its ethical practitioners (there really is only one) can say of successes is that they &#8220;exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>This makes the subject of conversion therapy not fringe science, but not science at all.  It does not meet the criterion of falsfiability that every legitimate science meets.  It does not offer a well-defined hypothesis that can be demonstrated true or false by data.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rare...possible...no shame.



These are words you will never hear at NARTH.



Thanks Warren, for everything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rare&#8230;possible&#8230;no shame.</p>
<p>These are words you will never hear at NARTH.</p>
<p>Thanks Warren, for everything.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frank, 



2 things.  1, many conference publications are peer-reviewed, and like journals, the quality of that review depends on the quality of the conference.  



However, more importantly, there is a quote (don&#039;t remember where I stole it from) I think you should read: 



&quot;If you wade into the middle of a pig-sty to argue with a pig, even if you &lt;em&gt;win&lt;/em&gt; the argument you will still end up looking like a fool.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, </p>
<p>2 things.  1, many conference publications are peer-reviewed, and like journals, the quality of that review depends on the quality of the conference.  </p>
<p>However, more importantly, there is a quote (don&#8217;t remember where I stole it from) I think you should read: </p>
<p>&#8220;If you wade into the middle of a pig-sty to argue with a pig, even if you <em>win</em> the argument you will still end up looking like a fool.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Hooray! Maazi&#039;s back and upping the comedy ante. My bet is that he&#039;s a gay boy in DC. Total satire and very well done. Plus the fake tone of &#039;outrage&#039; is perfectly judged. Are we sure he&#039;s not from ChristianWire? I think he might be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Now Timothy, the above tirade from your fellow gay propagandist is what you should rightly call delusional and schizophrenic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hooray! Maazi&#8217;s back and upping the comedy ante. My bet is that he&#8217;s a gay boy in DC. Total satire and very well done. Plus the fake tone of &#8216;outrage&#8217; is perfectly judged. Are we sure he&#8217;s not from ChristianWire? I think he might be.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now Timothy, the above tirade from your fellow gay propagandist is what you should rightly call delusional and schizophrenic.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Maazi, I have a doctorate in Mathematics and I&#039;ve a published articles in refereed journals in probability and statistics. I&#039;ve served on the math faculty of Princeton and the faculty of the Courant Institute of Mathematical Science at New York University. I&#039;d certainly qualify as an expert witness on the subject of statistics.



You&#039;re out of your depth, puny man.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



 Frank, 

So what if you have doctorate in Mathematics?!! I have a Masters Degree by Research in Electrical Engineering from a well-known British University and I have presented research papers in several international conferences on electrical/electronics engineering. Anyone who knows about research knows how easily data can be bent to fit dubious theories that is why peer-review teams have been busy dismissing pro-gay nonsense presented all the time in the name of science (e.g &quot;gay gene&quot; research). 



BTW, I worked and lived in the United States and understand how you homosexual lobbyists bully people who disagree with your abhorrent and highly dangerous sexual behaviour which breeds HIV/AIDS---a factor  your politically correct government is forced  to take into account when banning sex deviants from blood donation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maazi, I have a doctorate in Mathematics and I&#8217;ve a published articles in refereed journals in probability and statistics. I&#8217;ve served on the math faculty of Princeton and the faculty of the Courant Institute of Mathematical Science at New York University. I&#8217;d certainly qualify as an expert witness on the subject of statistics.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re out of your depth, puny man.</p></blockquote>
<p> Frank, </p>
<p>So what if you have doctorate in Mathematics?!! I have a Masters Degree by Research in Electrical Engineering from a well-known British University and I have presented research papers in several international conferences on electrical/electronics engineering. Anyone who knows about research knows how easily data can be bent to fit dubious theories that is why peer-review teams have been busy dismissing pro-gay nonsense presented all the time in the name of science (e.g &#8220;gay gene&#8221; research). </p>
<p>BTW, I worked and lived in the United States and understand how you homosexual lobbyists bully people who disagree with your abhorrent and highly dangerous sexual behaviour which breeds HIV/AIDS&#8212;a factor  your politically correct government is forced  to take into account when banning sex deviants from blood donation.</p>
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