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		By: Debbie Thurman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/USTerrorReport/2010/09/10/id/369775?s=al&#038;promo_code=AB5C-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A sobering assessment on homegrown radicals.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/USTerrorReport/2010/09/10/id/369775?s=al&#038;promo_code=AB5C-1" rel="nofollow">A sobering assessment on homegrown radicals.</a></p>
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		By: Debbie Thurman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[McVeigh was no Dominionist. This is from Wikipedia, so consider the source. However:



&lt;blockquote&gt;In a recorded interview with Time magazine, McVeigh professed his belief in &quot;a god&quot;, although he said he had &quot;sort of lost touch with&quot; Catholicism and &quot;I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.&quot; Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and regularly attended daily Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York. The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Weaver was akin to McVeigh and Koresh was a cultist, not a Christian. 



For every ADL-targeted-underground-that-nobody-ever-heard-of militia, I&#039;m sure you could find multiple underground Muslim extremist cell groups.



The only one that gets into the ballpark is abortion clinic bombings. A heinous tactic, soundly rejected by mainstream Christians, whereas peace-loving Islam followers do not generally denounce their extremists. 



I don&#039;t discount extremists anywhere. I merely point out the weight of evidence against the claim that Dominionism is a greater threat than militant Islamic fanaticism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McVeigh was no Dominionist. This is from Wikipedia, so consider the source. However:</p>
<blockquote><p>In a recorded interview with Time magazine, McVeigh professed his belief in &#8220;a god&#8221;, although he said he had &#8220;sort of lost touch with&#8221; Catholicism and &#8220;I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.&#8221; Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and regularly attended daily Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York. The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell.</p></blockquote>
<p>Weaver was akin to McVeigh and Koresh was a cultist, not a Christian. </p>
<p>For every ADL-targeted-underground-that-nobody-ever-heard-of militia, I&#8217;m sure you could find multiple underground Muslim extremist cell groups.</p>
<p>The only one that gets into the ballpark is abortion clinic bombings. A heinous tactic, soundly rejected by mainstream Christians, whereas peace-loving Islam followers do not generally denounce their extremists. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t discount extremists anywhere. I merely point out the weight of evidence against the claim that Dominionism is a greater threat than militant Islamic fanaticism.</p>
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		By: Debbie Thurman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Dominionism is so &quot;out there&quot; as to be no real threat to our American way of life. Most people will see it for what it is, especially in a nation that is tumbling into a post-Christian age. We would be better served studying and being prepared to defend against Islamofascism, which is a real threat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Dominionism is so &#8220;out there&#8221; as to be no real threat to our American way of life. Most people will see it for what it is, especially in a nation that is tumbling into a post-Christian age. We would be better served studying and being prepared to defend against Islamofascism, which is a real threat.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman#   ~ Sep 15, 2010 at 6:56 am  



&quot;Jayhuck, how many Christians are running training camps and recruiting suicide/homicide bombers and carrying out subsequent murderous attacks? &quot;



More than you think Debbie.  Here are a few that the ADL are keeping tabs on:



Kentucky State Militia, Ohio Unorganized Militia Assistance and Advisory Committee, Southeastern Ohio Defense Force, Michigan Militia (two factions using the same name), Southern Indiana Regional Militia, Southern California High Desert Militia (and others).



&quot;How many have flown airplanes into buildings, killing thousands of innocent people?&quot;



None, their preferred method is a truck bomb. 



&quot;How many Christians use women and children as shields on the battlefield?



How many barricade themselves into churches, booby-trap them and become deadly snipers, daring anyone to come in after them and &quot;desecrate&quot; their holy shrines? &quot;



Of the top of my head there was Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, and David Koresh at Waco.  I&#039;m sure there are more.



&quot;How many threaten and actually murder those who take the name of Jesus in vain? &quot;



How many abortion clinic bombings have there been? Murders of doctors at these clinics?  More than a few.  



All of these incidents I referenced involved christians claiming they did what they did in the name of their god.  Yet, everyone seems to recognize these cases as people perverting christian beliefs.  However, when it comes to similar atrocities carried out in the name of islam, many people seem more than willing to blindly accept these acts as a central part of the islamic faith. 



I suspect that in many religions you will be able to find examples of leaders twisting the religion to get their followers to do terrible things.  The fact that you discount these things in christianity while attempting to argue they are a central part of islam, says more about you than it does the islamic faith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Thurman#   ~ Sep 15, 2010 at 6:56 am  </p>
<p>&#8220;Jayhuck, how many Christians are running training camps and recruiting suicide/homicide bombers and carrying out subsequent murderous attacks? &#8221;</p>
<p>More than you think Debbie.  Here are a few that the ADL are keeping tabs on:</p>
<p>Kentucky State Militia, Ohio Unorganized Militia Assistance and Advisory Committee, Southeastern Ohio Defense Force, Michigan Militia (two factions using the same name), Southern Indiana Regional Militia, Southern California High Desert Militia (and others).</p>
<p>&#8220;How many have flown airplanes into buildings, killing thousands of innocent people?&#8221;</p>
<p>None, their preferred method is a truck bomb. </p>
<p>&#8220;How many Christians use women and children as shields on the battlefield?</p>
<p>How many barricade themselves into churches, booby-trap them and become deadly snipers, daring anyone to come in after them and &#8220;desecrate&#8221; their holy shrines? &#8221;</p>
<p>Of the top of my head there was Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, and David Koresh at Waco.  I&#8217;m sure there are more.</p>
<p>&#8220;How many threaten and actually murder those who take the name of Jesus in vain? &#8221;</p>
<p>How many abortion clinic bombings have there been? Murders of doctors at these clinics?  More than a few.  </p>
<p>All of these incidents I referenced involved christians claiming they did what they did in the name of their god.  Yet, everyone seems to recognize these cases as people perverting christian beliefs.  However, when it comes to similar atrocities carried out in the name of islam, many people seem more than willing to blindly accept these acts as a central part of the islamic faith. </p>
<p>I suspect that in many religions you will be able to find examples of leaders twisting the religion to get their followers to do terrible things.  The fact that you discount these things in christianity while attempting to argue they are a central part of islam, says more about you than it does the islamic faith.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really enjoy Christians minimizing the extremists in their own religion saying they don&#039;t speak for the well-informed majority and then turning around and upholding the idea that extremists speak for the majority of another religion]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoy Christians minimizing the extremists in their own religion saying they don&#8217;t speak for the well-informed majority and then turning around and upholding the idea that extremists speak for the majority of another religion</p>
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