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	Comments on: CA Proposition 8 decision due today UPDATE: Prop 8 overturned	</title>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95404</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, ain&#039;t that a &#039;kick in the head&#039;?! And it&#039;s absolutely amazing how much &lt;em&gt;other&lt;/em&gt; joy is out there!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, ain&#8217;t that a &#8216;kick in the head&#8217;?! And it&#8217;s absolutely amazing how much <em>other</em> joy is out there!</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95403</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Would &#039;marriage equality&#039; impact them towards zero tolerance or would it work the other way. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



I wish I could recall where I saw it, but a year or so ago I read an article by a gay guy discussing how marriage impacted his life.  He said that it surprised him in the way in which it impacted his views on monogamy.



Prior to marriage he and his guy were mostly monogamous but (if I recall correctly) occasionally one or both would have outside sex.  But after making vows he and his husband found themselves newly jealous.  They didn&#039;t want anyone else touching their man and decided that marriage meant no outside play.



I don&#039;t know if this is usual, common, or an exception, but I&#039;m not surprised that the expectations and commitments and responsibilities of marriage change a person.  We&#039;ve seen it forever in straights, so I would not be surprised to see it in gays as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Would &#8216;marriage equality&#8217; impact them towards zero tolerance or would it work the other way. </p></blockquote>
<p>I wish I could recall where I saw it, but a year or so ago I read an article by a gay guy discussing how marriage impacted his life.  He said that it surprised him in the way in which it impacted his views on monogamy.</p>
<p>Prior to marriage he and his guy were mostly monogamous but (if I recall correctly) occasionally one or both would have outside sex.  But after making vows he and his husband found themselves newly jealous.  They didn&#8217;t want anyone else touching their man and decided that marriage meant no outside play.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is usual, common, or an exception, but I&#8217;m not surprised that the expectations and commitments and responsibilities of marriage change a person.  We&#8217;ve seen it forever in straights, so I would not be surprised to see it in gays as well.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95382</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And yet the law does exist...and yet Christians were admonished to avoid all manner of sin...and yet Christ paid the price &lt;em&gt;for our sins&lt;/em&gt;...for our transgressions &lt;em&gt;of the law&lt;/em&gt;. To the woman caught in adultery He said &#039;Go &lt;em&gt;and sin no more&#039;&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet the law does exist&#8230;and yet Christians were admonished to avoid all manner of sin&#8230;and yet Christ paid the price <em>for our sins</em>&#8230;for our transgressions <em>of the law</em>. To the woman caught in adultery He said &#8216;Go <em>and sin no more&#8217;</em>.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95381</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddy,



&lt;blockquote&gt;Debbie did not say that they had never seen or heard of it but simply that there was on word for it. So she wasn&#039;t saying that it was an &#039;unknown concept&#039; as you suggest but rather that it was one that there wasn&#039;t a quick &#039;buzzword&#039; for. And this is quite understandable. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



There were plenty of words in Greek which discuss same-sex behavior and same-sex love.  Remember we&#039;re talking about what the Victorians referred to as &quot;the vice of the Greeks&quot;. 



I have no idea why Paul did not use the common current language if he wished to condemn either same-sex behavior or same-sex love, but it wasn&#039;t due to any lack of words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<blockquote><p>Debbie did not say that they had never seen or heard of it but simply that there was on word for it. So she wasn&#8217;t saying that it was an &#8216;unknown concept&#8217; as you suggest but rather that it was one that there wasn&#8217;t a quick &#8216;buzzword&#8217; for. And this is quite understandable. </p></blockquote>
<p>There were plenty of words in Greek which discuss same-sex behavior and same-sex love.  Remember we&#8217;re talking about what the Victorians referred to as &#8220;the vice of the Greeks&#8221;. </p>
<p>I have no idea why Paul did not use the common current language if he wished to condemn either same-sex behavior or same-sex love, but it wasn&#8217;t due to any lack of words.</p>
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		By: Debbie Thurman		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95332</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Isn&#039;t this the start of graciousness to one another? Each person&#039;s spiritual journey, and relationship with Our Lord, is uniquely just that &#8230; each person&#039;s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Exactly, Teresa. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Isn&#8217;t this the start of graciousness to one another? Each person&#8217;s spiritual journey, and relationship with Our Lord, is uniquely just that &#8230; each person&#8217;s.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly, Teresa. 🙂</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95331</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Debbie,



Yes, Teresa uses the terms interchangeably.  I should have  been clearer in noting that I wasn&#039;t necessarily speaking of Teresa&#039;s usage.



I was just trying to inform you of the usage that my community has.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie,</p>
<p>Yes, Teresa uses the terms interchangeably.  I should have  been clearer in noting that I wasn&#8217;t necessarily speaking of Teresa&#8217;s usage.</p>
<p>I was just trying to inform you of the usage that my community has.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95330</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Debbie,



&lt;blockquote&gt;But now that he has revealed his 10-year same-sex relationship, I think there is a valid case for his decision to be vacated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



No, I don&#039;t think that is a valid case.



That one might be impacted by a case - as a class of people - is not cause for invalidation.  Or we should call for the recusal of all of the justices that are heterosexually married, lest they seek to protect their marriage from the harm of same-sex marriage.



And we&#039;ll leave the decision to the two heterosexual single women on the court, Kagen and Sotomayor?  Would you support that?  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie,</p>
<blockquote><p>But now that he has revealed his 10-year same-sex relationship, I think there is a valid case for his decision to be vacated.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think that is a valid case.</p>
<p>That one might be impacted by a case &#8211; as a class of people &#8211; is not cause for invalidation.  Or we should call for the recusal of all of the justices that are heterosexually married, lest they seek to protect their marriage from the harm of same-sex marriage.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;ll leave the decision to the two heterosexual single women on the court, Kagen and Sotomayor?  Would you support that?  😉</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95329</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CNN has just released a poll,  CNN Gay marriage poll, showing a majority (51%) of americans now support gay marriage.  However, this percentage doesn&#039;t appear to include 18-34 year-olds which would probably  bump that 51 a few points higher.  No indication why that age group was excluded.



It certainly fits the trend of increasing support for gay marriage over the years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNN has just released a poll,  CNN Gay marriage poll, showing a majority (51%) of americans now support gay marriage.  However, this percentage doesn&#8217;t appear to include 18-34 year-olds which would probably  bump that 51 a few points higher.  No indication why that age group was excluded.</p>
<p>It certainly fits the trend of increasing support for gay marriage over the years.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/08/04/ca-proposition-8-decision-due-today/#comment-95328</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blakeslee,



I&#039;m not much interested in your continued untruthful accusations, accompanied by bizarre, paranoid insinuations, and implied blame about totally unrelated people.



If you want to apologize for the slurs and the attacks, I&#039;ll listen. If you pledge to stop the campaign of personal villification, I&#039;m all ears.



Timothy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blakeslee,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not much interested in your continued untruthful accusations, accompanied by bizarre, paranoid insinuations, and implied blame about totally unrelated people.</p>
<p>If you want to apologize for the slurs and the attacks, I&#8217;ll listen. If you pledge to stop the campaign of personal villification, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
<p>Timothy</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s almost as if they treat &#039;marriage&#039; and &#039;family&#039; as synonymous. &lt;/blockquote&gt;I think in many respects they are.  &quot;Found a family&quot; and &quot;reproduce&quot; are not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s almost as if they treat &#8216;marriage&#8217; and &#8216;family&#8217; as synonymous. </p></blockquote>
<p>I think in many respects they are.  &#8220;Found a family&#8221; and &#8220;reproduce&#8221; are not.</p>
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