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	Comments on: Canyon Ridge Christian Church puts recent statement about Martin Ssempa on their website	</title>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[More and more, I am getting the impression that the real intent of this bill is not to &quot;eliminate homosexuality&quot; at all -- but to prohibit any public &lt;em&gt;expression&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;endorsement &lt;/em&gt;of it -- to frighten gay people back into the closet and keep them there.   



More and more, I get the feeling that Ssempa and his supporters don&#039;t really give a damn what consenting gay adults do in private -- even though they say they do.  They just want gays to be hidden, secretive and to live in fear.  



They don&#039;t want gays to be able to live openly or with dignity.  Much like many homophobes and religious conservative here in the USA wish that gays would return to the closet, &quot;sin&quot; in private and shut the hell up -- just like it was in the &quot;good old days&quot; before Stonewall and the elimination of sodomy laws.



Intelligent people know that you cannot prevent homosexual orientation by making it illegal or &quot;cure it&quot; by forcing people into &quot;treatment&quot; that has no scientific basis.  If the real intent is to punish child abusers, there would be no need to mention the sexual orientation of the offender.  



If you really want to stop &quot;gayism&quot;, why not just limit freedom of speech and freedom of assembly?  Close down any gay bars, make gay rights organizations illegal and arrest people who show public displays of gay affection?  That would do the trick and would be much more honest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more, I am getting the impression that the real intent of this bill is not to &#8220;eliminate homosexuality&#8221; at all &#8212; but to prohibit any public <em>expression</em> or <em>endorsement </em>of it &#8212; to frighten gay people back into the closet and keep them there.   </p>
<p>More and more, I get the feeling that Ssempa and his supporters don&#8217;t really give a damn what consenting gay adults do in private &#8212; even though they say they do.  They just want gays to be hidden, secretive and to live in fear.  </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want gays to be able to live openly or with dignity.  Much like many homophobes and religious conservative here in the USA wish that gays would return to the closet, &#8220;sin&#8221; in private and shut the hell up &#8212; just like it was in the &#8220;good old days&#8221; before Stonewall and the elimination of sodomy laws.</p>
<p>Intelligent people know that you cannot prevent homosexual orientation by making it illegal or &#8220;cure it&#8221; by forcing people into &#8220;treatment&#8221; that has no scientific basis.  If the real intent is to punish child abusers, there would be no need to mention the sexual orientation of the offender.  </p>
<p>If you really want to stop &#8220;gayism&#8221;, why not just limit freedom of speech and freedom of assembly?  Close down any gay bars, make gay rights organizations illegal and arrest people who show public displays of gay affection?  That would do the trick and would be much more honest.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think any person, Ugandan or not, has a right -- no more than that -- a moral responsibility to speak out against killing homosexuals.  Just as it would be a moral responsbility to speak out against killing Christians, or Jews, or blacks.  I know you probably don&#039;t see it that way, James, but I do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any person, Ugandan or not, has a right &#8212; no more than that &#8212; a moral responsibility to speak out against killing homosexuals.  Just as it would be a moral responsbility to speak out against killing Christians, or Jews, or blacks.  I know you probably don&#8217;t see it that way, James, but I do.</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[All: It&#039;s funny how Dr. Warren reacts when he is put to task. He enjoys the Supreme Judge position. His posts can&#039;t be questioned. No one can challenge him. if you dare challenge him, you an anti homo, pro bahati, Ssempa etc. No way, we are here to correct the wrong image you have always potrayed about our nation Uganda and our Leaders. Tell u what, we will support our very own in promoting the right mandates. Uganda still carries her values and will give it her best to guard them.



Between the 11th May &#038; 25th May I got a chance to meet CRCC pastor who had visited Uganda. Our talk was very helpfull, actually this is when I got to know CRCC encourage their members to acquire copies of the bill and read. They were also encoraged to get constant updates about it from their partners in Uganda. Dr. Warren seems to dispute this truth and wants the whole world to believe his voice. I am sorry atleast I will not.



Dr. Warren here is the problem; u want us to always believe your posts as absolute truth. You never accept any correction. Nowonder your interview with ONN on 19th March was a big shame. You kept being doubled minded earning the nickname &quot;Mischief&quot;. Rem you once supported both the Ex-Gay and Homo associations; you did did this secretelt till you were discovered and later on fired from the ex-gay Assoc. You embarras society with your continued &quot;games&quot;. On the 14th Feb 2005 the Magellan Health Services, Inc. fired you because your views on homosexuality were &quot;potentially controversial&quot; not in &quot;the best interests&quot; of the company. And you have continued with the same character. groove City College is a faithbased Institution that embraces Biblical teachings. You know the Bible&#039;s position on Homosexuality. You are a wolf in a sheep&#039;s skin. I may not say shame upon you but you know where you lie. 



If Uganda was technologically advanced, you would see the stand our people have taken concerning homosexuality. By the way why hasn&#039;t homosexuality been legalised in the entire USA?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All: It&#8217;s funny how Dr. Warren reacts when he is put to task. He enjoys the Supreme Judge position. His posts can&#8217;t be questioned. No one can challenge him. if you dare challenge him, you an anti homo, pro bahati, Ssempa etc. No way, we are here to correct the wrong image you have always potrayed about our nation Uganda and our Leaders. Tell u what, we will support our very own in promoting the right mandates. Uganda still carries her values and will give it her best to guard them.</p>
<p>Between the 11th May &#038; 25th May I got a chance to meet CRCC pastor who had visited Uganda. Our talk was very helpfull, actually this is when I got to know CRCC encourage their members to acquire copies of the bill and read. They were also encoraged to get constant updates about it from their partners in Uganda. Dr. Warren seems to dispute this truth and wants the whole world to believe his voice. I am sorry atleast I will not.</p>
<p>Dr. Warren here is the problem; u want us to always believe your posts as absolute truth. You never accept any correction. Nowonder your interview with ONN on 19th March was a big shame. You kept being doubled minded earning the nickname &#8220;Mischief&#8221;. Rem you once supported both the Ex-Gay and Homo associations; you did did this secretelt till you were discovered and later on fired from the ex-gay Assoc. You embarras society with your continued &#8220;games&#8221;. On the 14th Feb 2005 the Magellan Health Services, Inc. fired you because your views on homosexuality were &#8220;potentially controversial&#8221; not in &#8220;the best interests&#8221; of the company. And you have continued with the same character. groove City College is a faithbased Institution that embraces Biblical teachings. You know the Bible&#8217;s position on Homosexuality. You are a wolf in a sheep&#8217;s skin. I may not say shame upon you but you know where you lie. </p>
<p>If Uganda was technologically advanced, you would see the stand our people have taken concerning homosexuality. By the way why hasn&#8217;t homosexuality been legalised in the entire USA?</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was hoping the he might respond to the question as to why it was necessary to have a special law to address &lt;em&gt;homosexual &lt;/em&gt;molestation.  I should not have used the word &quot;orientation&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping the he might respond to the question as to why it was necessary to have a special law to address <em>homosexual </em>molestation.  I should not have used the word &#8220;orientation&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[James--

The &#039;monitoring&#039; that you perceive is a direct result of the extremism of the bill in it&#039;s original. It was the death penalty and life imprisonment that captured the focus and the outrage of so many. I suspect that if the death penalty or life imprisonment had not been mentioned, no one would be paying much attention. BUT since those extremes were in the original consideration, the attention of outsiders has been garnered. And, now that Uganda has their attention, folks are monitoring. And since no one from Uganda is speaking specifically to what the &#039;prohibition&#039; will mean in terms of penalty for consensual adults, the focus still runs high and will continue to run high as long as that question remains unanswered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James&#8211;</p>
<p>The &#8216;monitoring&#8217; that you perceive is a direct result of the extremism of the bill in it&#8217;s original. It was the death penalty and life imprisonment that captured the focus and the outrage of so many. I suspect that if the death penalty or life imprisonment had not been mentioned, no one would be paying much attention. BUT since those extremes were in the original consideration, the attention of outsiders has been garnered. And, now that Uganda has their attention, folks are monitoring. And since no one from Uganda is speaking specifically to what the &#8216;prohibition&#8217; will mean in terms of penalty for consensual adults, the focus still runs high and will continue to run high as long as that question remains unanswered.</p>
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