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	Comments on: David Bahati: Lou Engle expressed support for Uganda&#8217;s Anti-Homosexuality Bill &#8211; Guest Post by Jeff Sharlet	</title>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, no one can confuse Lou Engle&#039;s intentions and beliefs anymore.   This is sad.  Many of the conservative christians I know do not support his kind of theology/doctrine/prophecy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no one can confuse Lou Engle&#8217;s intentions and beliefs anymore.   This is sad.  Many of the conservative christians I know do not support his kind of theology/doctrine/prophecy.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 04:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &lt;a href=&quot;http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/FINAL_2010_STATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Republicans in Texas seem to be right there with David Bahati&lt;/a&gt;.  First comes marriage: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;strong&gt;Neither the United States nor any state shall recognize or grant to any unmarried person the legal rights or status of a spouse.   We oppose the recognition of and granting of benefits to people who represent themselves as domestic partners without being legally married.&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;

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&quot;We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.&quot; 

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&quot;We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to perform a marriage ceremony for such.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Then comes prison.  I guess that it means that even though the U.S. Supreme Court overturned sodomy laws last decade and other states have done away with there laws as early as the 1960s, that Texas Republicans would like their state or any state to have the power to criminalize LGBT folks for having sex.



And just to match Bahati&#039;s bill they&#039;ll send anyone to jail for &#039;aiding&#039; a gay person getting married.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/FINAL_2010_STATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf" rel="nofollow">Republicans in Texas seem to be right there with David Bahati</a>.  First comes marriage: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<strong>Neither the United States nor any state shall recognize or grant to any unmarried person the legal rights or status of a spouse.   We oppose the recognition of and granting of benefits to people who represent themselves as domestic partners without being legally married.</strong> &#8221;</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>&#8220;We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.&#8221; </p>
<p>.</p>
<p>&#8220;We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to perform a marriage ceremony for such.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Then comes prison.  I guess that it means that even though the U.S. Supreme Court overturned sodomy laws last decade and other states have done away with there laws as early as the 1960s, that Texas Republicans would like their state or any state to have the power to criminalize LGBT folks for having sex.</p>
<p>And just to match Bahati&#8217;s bill they&#8217;ll send anyone to jail for &#8216;aiding&#8217; a gay person getting married.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;This situation is not bringing glory to God but rather making the ‘followers of Christ’ seem deceptive and sneaky.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



True that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This situation is not bringing glory to God but rather making the ‘followers of Christ’ seem deceptive and sneaky.</p></blockquote>
<p>True that.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please don&#039;t love me, Lou Engel.  Don&#039;t love me with your laws, don&#039;t love me with your jails, don&#039;t love me with your noose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t love me, Lou Engel.  Don&#8217;t love me with your laws, don&#8217;t love me with your jails, don&#8217;t love me with your noose.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gee .. if he is against the bill period it is not that hard to say so ..instead he says things like this (from second press release)... 



&lt;blockquote&gt;That being said, I am grateful that I had the privilege of going to Uganda and meeting Christian leaders who explained their heart concerning the Bill. Not one was carrying even an ounce of hatred for homosexuals. They actually desired to influence the lawmakers in Uganda to lessen the penalties&lt;/blockquote&gt;.



Lesser penalties &lt;strong&gt;does not equal&lt;/strong&gt; no penalties / no criminilazation.  Apparenlty he has no problems with legal penalties for same gender sexual activity.  Might we also assume that he would promote similar penalties for opposite sex sexual immorality?  Not likely...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee .. if he is against the bill period it is not that hard to say so ..instead he says things like this (from second press release)&#8230; </p>
<blockquote><p>That being said, I am grateful that I had the privilege of going to Uganda and meeting Christian leaders who explained their heart concerning the Bill. Not one was carrying even an ounce of hatred for homosexuals. They actually desired to influence the lawmakers in Uganda to lessen the penalties</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>Lesser penalties <strong>does not equal</strong> no penalties / no criminilazation.  Apparenlty he has no problems with legal penalties for same gender sexual activity.  Might we also assume that he would promote similar penalties for opposite sex sexual immorality?  Not likely&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Warren... &lt;/strong&gt;Also, he has not addressed whether or not he supports the Ugandan bill with lesser penalties.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suspect that is exactly the case....

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thecall.com/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000068247&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TheCall Uganda Press Release&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/strong&gt; ....and from that heart seek to &lt;strong&gt;establish true biblical standards, reflecting compassion for those struggling with same-sex attraction and equal justice for criminal offenses committed by heterosexuals or homosexuals&lt;/strong&gt;. We believe this also reflects the heart and intent of the Christian leaders of Uganda.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I expect Engle would like to see laws enacted which would make any &#039;sodomous act&#039; between either straights or gays and even fornication (outside of marriage) to be a criminal offense - to take the civil criminal law up to &quot;&lt;em&gt;true biblical standards&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;   His supposed &quot;deep love for the homosexual community&quot; likely then means that the law reflects &quot;compassion for those struggling with same-sex attraction&quot; probably by instituting forced therapy (else prison?) or &#039;whatever&#039; along the lines of Scott Lively.

...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Warren&#8230; </strong>Also, he has not addressed whether or not he supports the Ugandan bill with lesser penalties.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect that is exactly the case&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><a href="http://thecall.com/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000068247" rel="nofollow">TheCall Uganda Press Release</a>:</strong> &#8230;.and from that heart seek to <strong>establish true biblical standards, reflecting compassion for those struggling with same-sex attraction and equal justice for criminal offenses committed by heterosexuals or homosexuals</strong>. We believe this also reflects the heart and intent of the Christian leaders of Uganda.</p></blockquote>
<p>I expect Engle would like to see laws enacted which would make any &#8216;sodomous act&#8217; between either straights or gays and even fornication (outside of marriage) to be a criminal offense &#8211; to take the civil criminal law up to &#8220;<em>true biblical standards</em>.&#8221;   His supposed &#8220;deep love for the homosexual community&#8221; likely then means that the law reflects &#8220;compassion for those struggling with same-sex attraction&#8221; probably by instituting forced therapy (else prison?) or &#8216;whatever&#8217; along the lines of Scott Lively.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		By: Frank Mugisha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While in Uganda this is what Luo Engle said, what more support to wards the bill can he express. 







While addressing the congregation in Uganda May 2010, Luo Engle said, he learned of Uganda through Apostle John Mulinde and that he did not know anything about the anti-homosexuality as he planned his visit to Uganda. He said that, he later learned about the anti homosexuality bill and he debated whether to come to Uganda or not, due to the international controversy around the anti homosexuality bill.



Lou Engle in his prayer encouraged Ugandan pastors to stand firm because they have been chosen to lead the world in the fight against homosexuality and that they are standing for the truth.



Luo Engle said.  “ Pastors don’t hate gays or spread hate but non government organizations, United Nations, UNICEF, among others are promoting a homosexual agenda which is against the teachings of the church”.



“Uganda’s Motto is for Uganda and My Country, and it is not Winston Churchill who named Uganda the Pearl of Africa, it was God using Churchill to name Uganda the Pearl of Africa.”



‘Uganda is a Christian nation and God loves everyone trapped in sin but marriage was established between Man and woman for the well being of children’’.



“The government of Uganda should uphold righteousness in this land”.



“America has lost the fight against the homosexual agenda and homosexuality has got into schools. Parents are even losing power over their children as schools are teaching them that homosexuality is okay”.



“God is using Uganda as ground zero or a starting point for the rest of the world against homosexuality. God chose Uganda”. 





To me i think that he is fully supporting  the bill. Now what ??  Luo Should regret coming down to Uganda , facilitating a prayer conference that has greatly increased homophobia in Uganda. Luo Engle should come out clearly and say he does not support the entire proposed legislation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While in Uganda this is what Luo Engle said, what more support to wards the bill can he express. </p>
<p>While addressing the congregation in Uganda May 2010, Luo Engle said, he learned of Uganda through Apostle John Mulinde and that he did not know anything about the anti-homosexuality as he planned his visit to Uganda. He said that, he later learned about the anti homosexuality bill and he debated whether to come to Uganda or not, due to the international controversy around the anti homosexuality bill.</p>
<p>Lou Engle in his prayer encouraged Ugandan pastors to stand firm because they have been chosen to lead the world in the fight against homosexuality and that they are standing for the truth.</p>
<p>Luo Engle said.  “ Pastors don’t hate gays or spread hate but non government organizations, United Nations, UNICEF, among others are promoting a homosexual agenda which is against the teachings of the church”.</p>
<p>“Uganda’s Motto is for Uganda and My Country, and it is not Winston Churchill who named Uganda the Pearl of Africa, it was God using Churchill to name Uganda the Pearl of Africa.”</p>
<p>‘Uganda is a Christian nation and God loves everyone trapped in sin but marriage was established between Man and woman for the well being of children’’.</p>
<p>“The government of Uganda should uphold righteousness in this land”.</p>
<p>“America has lost the fight against the homosexual agenda and homosexuality has got into schools. Parents are even losing power over their children as schools are teaching them that homosexuality is okay”.</p>
<p>“God is using Uganda as ground zero or a starting point for the rest of the world against homosexuality. God chose Uganda”. </p>
<p>To me i think that he is fully supporting  the bill. Now what ??  Luo Should regret coming down to Uganda , facilitating a prayer conference that has greatly increased homophobia in Uganda. Luo Engle should come out clearly and say he does not support the entire proposed legislation.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 01:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whether it is Engel or Bahati and Oyet, someone claiming to be a man of God is not being honest.  And dishonestly is NOT of God.



This situation is not bringing glory to God but rather making the &#039;followers of Christ&#039; seem deceptive and sneaky.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it is Engel or Bahati and Oyet, someone claiming to be a man of God is not being honest.  And dishonestly is NOT of God.</p>
<p>This situation is not bringing glory to God but rather making the &#8216;followers of Christ&#8217; seem deceptive and sneaky.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 01:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/06/14/david-bahati-lou-engle-expressed-support-for-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-guest-post-by-jeff-sharlet/#comment-39859&quot;&gt;mtrask&lt;/a&gt;.

mtrask - I linked to his statement so I what he said, but I also know what he did. There is no explanation for why he did not apologize for what was said in his presence by Apostle Oyet. Also, he has not addressed whether or not he supports the Ugandan bill with lesser penalties. Moreover, his allies there have now publicly said that he told them one thing and the press via his statement and directly in Uganda, another. 

I wrote The Call for clarification of these questions, and have yet to hear back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/06/14/david-bahati-lou-engle-expressed-support-for-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-guest-post-by-jeff-sharlet/#comment-39859">mtrask</a>.</p>
<p>mtrask &#8211; I linked to his statement so I what he said, but I also know what he did. There is no explanation for why he did not apologize for what was said in his presence by Apostle Oyet. Also, he has not addressed whether or not he supports the Ugandan bill with lesser penalties. Moreover, his allies there have now publicly said that he told them one thing and the press via his statement and directly in Uganda, another. </p>
<p>I wrote The Call for clarification of these questions, and have yet to hear back.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please, let’s get our facts from the right source. Lou Engle went to TheCall Uganda for one agenda…to awaken a nation to prayer and the issues of justice. There was never any verbal support of the bill from Engle. It is a gross injustice that the church leaders in Uganda would support the extreme measures proposed in the bill and that they exploited TheCall platform to do so. Read Engle’s statement on his website. http://thecall.com/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000068247]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, let’s get our facts from the right source. Lou Engle went to TheCall Uganda for one agenda…to awaken a nation to prayer and the issues of justice. There was never any verbal support of the bill from Engle. It is a gross injustice that the church leaders in Uganda would support the extreme measures proposed in the bill and that they exploited TheCall platform to do so. Read Engle’s statement on his website. <a href="http://thecall.com/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000068247" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thecall.com/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000068247</a></p>
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