Lynn David – Good point

F Young – Another good point. I think I was too kind as Timothy K says. FRC finesses this issue when the righteous response is to condemn the Ugandan bill and lobby in favor of passage of the House resolution. I can see a group saying this is not our issue so we don’t have a view. But once you get involved as FRC did, I don’t see how you can stay neutral.

“To me, it wrong and short-sighted for Christian groups to complain about being mistreated or disrespected when those same groups are promoting or refusing to condemn the same treatment to those who hold different views.”

Respectfully, this is not a valid comparison.

There is no “same treatment” here at all, not even remotely. The Anti-Homosexuality Billis aimed at destroying homosexuality and homosexuals in Uganda though imrisonment and execution. It is genocide, not mere mistreatment or disrespect.

Furthermore, the Bill is not directed against those “who hold different views” (except to the extent that it also crminalizes those who support homosexuality). Unlike religion, sexual orientation is a fundamental human characteristic, like gender or race, not a belief or view (much less a lifestyle). So, it is accurate to call it a genocide bill, more so that the Nuremberg laws, for example, since they did not incorporate the “Final Solution” within the laws themselves.

Ugandan Resolution Pro-homosexual promotion

In your paperwork, you are just opening yourself up for the expected interpretation.

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But then again, the real use of the lobby without bringing undo attention to oneself is to lobby for the least action that brings you the desired outcome. In this case it may have been the change in wording in the House document which brought about the desired outcome for the FRC, that is no passage by the House. No doubt the FRC is most happy that a unified resolution was not passed by both houses of Congress.

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Did they lobby against the bill – not necessarily.

Are they in favour of killing Gays – they won’t say.

What changes were made to the bill – no comment.

Smoke, mirrors, bafflegab and baloney. But then – he’s a lobbyist, he does this professionally.

To me, it wrong and short-sighted for Christian groups to complain about being mistreated or disrespected when those same groups are promoting or refusing to condemn the same treatment to those who hold different views

Definitely, shortsighted and indifferent.

Tom McClusky would not object if I were to be executed for the “crime” of being gay.

It is impossible for me to see this as anything other than hatred.

FRC: oh, we have no opinion.

Timothy: Yes, FRC has an opinion. When confronted with obvious evil – and there’s no way for me to describe the notion of executing someone for being gay as other than evil – you have an opinion. In this case you just they want to admit their position.

I think it can be difficult for most Christians to recognize the extent to which some of their more vocal (self-appointed) leaders truly hate gay people. Most Christians are NOT motivated by hatred. Most would find the Uganda bill to be abhorrent. Most would be shocked that groups claiming to be Christian would even consider it to be anything other than evil.

And Warren, I think you are being too kind here. There is no “same treatment” comparison.

There are no gay groups of which I am aware who would even consider jailing Christians for a minute, much less a lifetime, for simply being Christians. And execution, no way. Nor are there any real or legitimate gay groups who would not vocally oppose efforts to ban Christians from meeting, ban pro-Christian literature, or jail those who didn’t turn Christians in to the authorities for punishment.