Comments on: Exodus International denounces calls for gay executions

By: Eddy

Eddy — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:55:12 +0000

I’m good with that AS LONG AS future character insinuations and statements that call my motives into question are screened from publication by the moderator if they don’t contain any evidence to support them. I don’t appreciate having my character or motives called into question in a forum that doesn’t require such allegations to be supported.

By: Warren

Warren — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:38:38 +0000

TImothy/Eddy – Let me agree with TImothy on this. I would rather the thread stay on the issue and not get into an analysis of commenter’s moods or disposition. It is too hard to do online and it detracts from the thread.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:32:02 +0000

Eddy,

I fear that doing the cut-and-paste of what led me to think I detected resentment would only feel like an attack on you. I would rather not do this, unless you insist. I don’t think it would be pleasant and would likely only lead to greater animosity.

By: Eddy

Eddy — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:19:42 +0000

I’m thankful that 99% of the conversations I have do not hinge on whether I believe sexual orientation to be a valid construct and I’m saddened that you believe that I have to believe in order for meaningful conversation to take place. But I can accept your limitations. (Please do consider however that I directed my statement about my beliefs to Alan…he and I have had meaningful conversation on that topic. He and I will likely continue to have meaningful conversation on that topic. His most recent comment to that effect was:As for “sexual orientation” I just don’t care–nor do I live my life beholden to the narrow parameters people say we must fit into, sexually or otherwise. He doesn’t reject it as strongly as I do; neither does he embrace it to the extent that you do.)

Perhaps I’m mistaken and misunderstood your comments. Perhaps you feel no resentment whatsoever.

It sure would be nice if you could point out the specific comments that you may have mistaken or misunderstood. It’s fine to say “That strikes me like you’re saying or you feel thus and such”…very, very important to point to one or more actual statements or I won’t learn. Beyond that, though, the public guessing of attitudes and motives limits YOUR ability to have a meaningful conversation.

Although I’ve tried to restrain it, this particular comment does have a tinge or two of sarcasm. The best I can tell, I’m reacting to a sense that you’re coming across like ‘the thought police’. Reading into statements, reinterpreting statements, hinting at unspoken motives, offering advice, advising on which thoughts are unacceptable. It feels like a curious mix of condescension and coercion that’s got me bristling just a bit.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:08:42 +0000

Eddy

Perhaps I’m mistaken and misunderstood your comments. Perhaps you feel no resentment whatsoever.

And I agree that our perspectives about what “those who identify by their orientation” are like are based on very different experiences. Although I do know gay people from around the world – including Minnesota – I most likely do not know the people whom were your friends when you lived in Minneapolis.

And as for whether you accept sexual orientation as a valid construct, well that’s up to you. it only limits your ability to have meaningful conversation.