The methodology employed by the Pew Research Centre is quite straight forward. Pew Researchers simply asked Ugandans what they thought about gayism and recorded their findings. On the other hand, the researchers that published their work in Lancet would have found it extremely difficult to gather reliable data on MSMs in African countries which lack the capacity or the political will to engage in proper record keeping of anything. As I explained earlier, homosexuality is invisible in Africa, so one wonders how these Lancet researchers were able to reach their findings. One would imagine that a lot of their data were probably guesstimates similar to the dubious “500,000 Ugandan Gays” conjecture. Anyway, fact remains that most Africans have taken a stand against the propagation of homosexuality. Even in most francophone african countries such as Gabon, Burkina Faso and Ivory Coast where homosexuality is not criminalized, gayism is equally reviled and any attempt to do pro-gay advocacy is checkmated by the locals. Attempts to impose it by external forces (i.e. Western governments and gay lobbies) through economic blackmail and cajoling will fail woefully.

You are quick to validate the Pew poll but doubt the Adrian Smith et al‘s paper in the Lancet. Anyone who agrees with your point of view is right ab initio. Why not show the same skepticism to all studies conducted by foreigners in these parts? Be consistent in your application of skepticism. By the way the co-investigators of the research into MSM include Africans for your information. And peer review of validity and veracity of research is quite robust in papers published in these journals.

You fail to get the gist of the research, no law will eliminate gays. Instead the anti-gay legislation leads those who are with gay-orientation into an exercise of camouflage, most times engaging in their sexual activities in private and exuding a straight persona in public life hence resulting in cross-transmission of infection from their secret gay networks to their spouses in heterosexual networks. And considering the uphill battle African health practitioners have against the epidemic, it doesn’t help more entry points for infection.

Just for the record only few of the 48 Black African nations in the continent are actually fighting wars or suffering any conflict. But thanks anyway for helping to perpetuate the negative stereotypes of your Western pay masters

Lets not bury our heads in the sand for the sake of empty pride. It is what it is.The status quo in Africa is pitiable whether we say it or someone says it for us! It’s either civil war, insurgencies or strong men imposing empty peace through draconian tactics or disenfranchisement of the populace to remain in power throughout Africa, apart from a couple of nations which are the exception. That said, there’re good things happening in Africa but the regrettable incidents more than drown them out in magnitude and distribution.

Just for the record only few of the 48 Black African nations in the continent are actually fighting wars or suffering any conflict. But thanks anyway for helping to perpetuate the negative stereotypes of your Western pay masters

Well, I am not a doctor. I am an electrical engineer and do know a lot about research work since I possess an MPhil (i.e. a type of masters degree earned via research work) from a well known British University. I have authored or co-authored scientific papers which were peer-reviewed and presented at international engineering conferences. And one thing I found out during my days as full time researcher is that certain shameless people are ready to manipulate data to make it fit a pre-determined viewpoint. I wonder how the Lancet researchers were able to obtain accurate data on MSMs in a continent where basic record keeping is a huge problem. Given the invisibility of homosexuality in most of Africa, forgive me if I express huge doubts about the reliability of methods used by these Lancet researchers to arrive at their conclusions. Moreover, the Euro-American Gay Lobby is very powerful so researchers behind the Lancet journal paper must be seen to be sympathetic to gayism if they are to continue in their career. Any attempt to suggest anything contrary to decriminalization and widespread acceptance of gayism will spell the end of these researchers’ professional lives. I was educated abroad and so I know first hand how powerful the homosexual juggernaut is. The HIV/AIDS issue is merely a smokescreen for pro-gay advocates to promote this dangerous vice. Contrary to those advocates and dubious pro-gay research, AIDS will soar with decriminalization not decrease.

ICEARC, homosexuality will never be accepted in Uganda and Africa as a whole— live with it okay?. “The South African Situation” is an aberration and will never be replicated all over the continent. Economic blackmail by USA, Canada, Sweden, etc, will not change the strong views of the vast majority—Over 96% of Ugandans reject gayism according to a scientific poll conducted by the United States based Pew Research Centre. You are Ugandan and therefore are entitled to live in the nation. But you must stop haullcinating about a future gay-loving Uganda and come to terms with the wishes of the vast majority. If you can’t live with that, please move to where gayism is accepted and take the local gay practitioners with you. After all, Western nations are equipped with the facilities to tackle the strange diseases that follow gays all over the place. If you decide to relocate to the West, please remember to lobby the NHS of Britain and FDA of United States to accept gay demands that they get the “human right” to donate their diseased blood to hospital blood banks.

You don’t have to lecture me on health by the way, I am a medical doctor by initial training and public health specialist by post grad training. I am acutely aware of the risks associated with the higher transmissions during anal sex of HIV for one. I am also aware that the anything that drives gays underground and away from health provision services paradoxically increases risk to the heterosexual networks. Men who have sex with men (MSM) may add an extra entry point of infection to the heterosexual networks by being bisexual. And many MSM who are inherently not bisexual do marry to hide their own sexual orientation and then act as a bridge between the sexual networks.(refer to Men who have sex with men and HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa, by Adrian Smith et al in the Lancet) In otherwords they have to be encouraged by dedicated and comprehensive public health policy information, education and communication(I.E.Cs) to seek treatment and for everyone’s sake by the way. Ostracism and stigmatisation only potentiates the pandemic. Furthermore, by far the greater majority of infections occur in heterosexual encounters, for that alone we should ban heterosex by your reasoning!

“………Moreover, rape is an offense in Uganda so I am not sure what you are on about………..”

My point exactly! Rape is an offense due to a non-consenting party, so are bestiality, necrophilia etc. However no matter the prevalence of rape in society, the act of heterosexual intercourse can never be deemed illegal just because some misuse/ defile it. The distinction is made between rape and consensual sex. We have to be consistent in maxim/doctrine/philosophy.

“……….We live in solidarity-based communal societies where the basic unit is the family/community rather than the individual. In such societies, a person belongs not only to his/her immediate nuclear family, but also to the community as a whole…………”

I guess that’s why we there’s a rainbow of peace, unicorns, sugar, spice and everything nice, kisses and hugs all around in Africa.

For the love of God, don’t delude yourself. This in a continent where people starve, are at war, commit genocide, dirt poor etc what solidarity or communal society are you going on about?

“……………. If you love it so much, go and live in the West (If you are already in the West, then please stay put and please pull along your local allies inside Uganda)……………”

Ndi ku ttaka. I am Ugandan and proud of my origin. it must irk you so, that a 100% Ugandan can have my views and we are many by the way. And by the way you keep banding about that “96%” where you get it from, God knows. As I said keep deluding yourself, delusions, hallucinations by reinforcement seem to become true to the one concerned. Believe your tripe as much as you want. I am going nowhere on your account!

Homosexuality is pure sexual depravity on the same level as other forms of sexual deviance namely—-necrophilia, paedophilia, bestiality, etc. There is simply no basis to compare it to the normal man–woman relations. People who engage in masturbation are not the health-risk that homosexuals are. Even in the pro-gay West, Gays are banned from donating their blood because of their high risk health status. Please do get it when I explain that NHS in the United Kingdom and FDA in the United States do not allow gays to bring their tainted blood near the blood bank of hospitals. It is completely illogical to compare homosexuality with masturbation. All your talk about rape, masturbation, etc, is a mere red herring and therefore is completely irrelevant to this discourse. Moreover, rape is an offense in Uganda so I am not sure what you are on about. We are Africans and we do not live in western-style highly individualistic “Mind-Your-Own-Business” societies. We live in solidarity-based communal societies where the basic unit is the family/community rather than the individual. In such societies, a person belongs not only to his/her immediate nuclear family, but also to the community as a whole. What that person does in private rubs off on his/her family and by extension, the community. So this libertarian talk of privacy to commit sexual depravity on grounds that it does not infringe on another person’s “rights” may be great in the Western context, but in the African context such talk is essentially meaningless. If you were raised by African parents, you will know what I am talking about. The same principle applies to other vices such as adultery, rape, etc. However the vice of gayism is more dangerous since it seeks—in the LONG TERM—to deform the structure of our society through the introduction of gay marriage and gay adoption. Gays may claim at this time that they simply want privacy, but we know from history that they will ultimately demand gay marriage and gay adoption and a right to prevent the rest of us from expressing our disgust for homosexuality. In conclusion, over 96% of Ugandans reject gayism. We do not want this sort of sexual depravity to be promoted in our country. If you love it so much, go and live in the West (If you are already in the West, then please stay put and please pull along your local allies inside Uganda).

Make the distinction between anti-bill and pro-gay. I don’t claim to understand the gay orientation or promote it, but I do know the act of gay sex does not infringe on another’s rights. The argument you make is akin to suggesting because women are raped, girls defiled etc we should ban hetero-sex. That because of marital violence we should ban marriage. That’s the inconsistency with that train of thought. I for one, due to my faith consider it a sin(but aren’t we all sinners?), but so is masturbation and a host of others. We don’t see those gathering the attention of the “traditionalists/nationalists”.The state should stick to those activities that directly infringe on another’s rights. It’s very easy to blame everything wrong with the world today on everyone but ourselves. Because we heteros will not engage in gay sex, why not gang up on them? The issues that matter never seem to get mention, or elicit the ire of the moral high-ground up-pities. Therein lies the bigotry. The pro-bill lobby will come up with all kinds of nonensicals, one being that we need to protect our boys. What a load of nonsense! Our boys are already protected by the law on aggravated defilement, and I would be the first to condemn any offenders of that law. another favourite is to imply that the gay population in the country is as a result of foreign recruiters and their agents. It defies logic. it’s almost laughable. That the gay in a Katwe slum is as a result of a foreign influence, and by the way the greater majority by far of gay Ugandans constitute the lower class, even Ssempa’s posterboy(George Oundo, who has since reverted to his “old ways”) was got from the slum. And how the mainstream churches got sucked into this cesspool, I can understand the Muslims take on the subject(refer to your post on Mwanga having learned his trait from Arab traders), and the evangelicals too. (Never mind they were trading accusations of sodomy at each other, in an apparent power play or outright jealousy) only to have to undergo a climbdown.

And again with your “Euro-American lobby”. If it makes you feel better please continue to associate me and my position with them. You never know it may gain traction with the truth. I’m for everything that makes you happy, believe me!

PS: copy it into your clip board, you may need to paste a few times yet!

Believe it or not, I am at peace with myself . I do not occupy my time thinking about the disgusting nature of what you are promoting, but I am sure that you think about gay sex all the time, hence the reason why you want this grotesque act to be universal and open inside Uganda, especially for your visiting western friends. Unlike Ssempa and gang, I have no interest in going to research gay porn or anything of that nature. I am not interested in getting anyone killed, but I have a strong interest in ensuring that the emergent pro-gay advocacy groups here in Uganda are crushed before they become as powerful and all controlling as their masters—the Euro-American Gay Lobby. The sort of pro-gay advocacy you are offering here is one of the strong reasons why the Bahati bill (in revised form) should be passed or certain provisions in the bill be used to properly bolster the Sexual Offences Act. The tone of your posting seems triumphant, but the last time I checked gayism remains illegal and reviled by most Ugandans. On the matter of rejecting gayism in Uganda, there is no “elite” and “plebians”; no “bourgeoise” and “proletariat”; no “haves” and “have-nots”; no “urban” and “rural”. All you have are Ugandans defending their right to protect who they are against the globalizing tendencies of Western sexual deviance. I will gladly accept the view that the fight against gayism is led by a loose expedient adhoc alliance of the [hated corrupt] political elite, religious leaders and the urban middle-class with the strong support of the poorer segments of society. In fact, many of us from middle-class background who were partly-educated abroad actually have first hand knowledge of how powerful the homosexual juggernaut is in the West. I agree with Ssempa and Ugandan Social Workers that if we remain docile on this matter, we will wake up 20 years later and find ourselves fighting to maintain the definition of marriage and the guidelines for child adoption. Despite your victorious tone, pro-gay advocacy in Uganda is comatose and is only being kept alive artificially by infusion of foreign cash. But soon that source of cash infusion will be cut and gay advocacy in the public sphere will suddenly vanish in the same way it suddenly appeared in last few years. No doubt, gay advocacy will continue to exist on internet pages, but never on the streets of Uganda. By the way, in African culture, there is no such thing as “Gay” and “Straight”. So there is nothing to polarize in Uganda. If you want such Gay/Straight distinctions please move yourself and your allies inside Uganda to San Francisco or Amsterdam.

You know ,you’d make a good court jester. But back to the point, I just realised in all the back and forth we’ve been having, the likelihood of anything being passed seems to decrease exponentionally each minute,hour,day,week ……………. sigh …………. to your chagrin! You and your ilk tried to polarise the country into straight and gay. You tried to intimidate those opposed to the bill by “accusing” them off being gay irrespective of their orientation, and all kinds of underhand machinations ……………………. but you failed FAILED and miserably too. Indeed one of the tactics employed was to accuse many of those anti-bill as being under the influence of foreign agents, and that has been on show here ………………… but it got too old, that cow got milked even to the last drop of saliva in it’s mouth.

I am so at peace unlike you because ……………. I don’t engage in the perverted exercise of imagining what sex, what kind of sex others are having, etc

And I used to think that education tempers prejudice and liberates the mind to think clearly, boy was I wrong! While the people in the slums leave next to gays, know of their orientation, work with them, are friends of them……….. etc, the indoctrinated portion of the elite/the enslaved elite are so obsessed with their putrid and contorted doctrine to think straight. And that portion of the elite I blame on the rote system of education, always cramming and memorizing facts but none the wiser on how to deploy those facts. But I won’t waste any of my pity on that gang! The free spirits of the lower classes, God bless them, it’s no surprise Jesus came for that class, the have-nots , they always seem to think more clearly and know what matters. Surprisingly, they seem more at peace, than we, the educated ,and the rich on their high pedestals built on pompous bigotry.

O quam cito transit gloria mundi