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		By: Ronald Kirungi Okumu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Kirungi Okumu]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no controversy that Uganda is a Christian nation under Jesus Christ. While we may embrace the positive aspects of western civilisation such as democracy and technology, we must and will remain alert to guard our African and Christian values against homosexuality, lesbianism and other strange sexual orientations originating from the western world. We might be intimidated through the freezing of foreign aid as it has been done to Uganda but we will not relent in our fight for the preservation of Africas dignity. I am sure that we will win this war against moral decadency just as we warn the war against slave trade! VIVA Uganda, VIVA Africa!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no controversy that Uganda is a Christian nation under Jesus Christ. While we may embrace the positive aspects of western civilisation such as democracy and technology, we must and will remain alert to guard our African and Christian values against homosexuality, lesbianism and other strange sexual orientations originating from the western world. We might be intimidated through the freezing of foreign aid as it has been done to Uganda but we will not relent in our fight for the preservation of Africas dignity. I am sure that we will win this war against moral decadency just as we warn the war against slave trade! VIVA Uganda, VIVA Africa!</p>
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		By: David Farrell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Farrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 15:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am not an atheist nor a deist, but I do have to wonder if God is actually paying attention down here.  Does He not recognize that &quot;His children&quot; are doing more to harm people and denigrate His name then the evilest of people alive?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not an atheist nor a deist, but I do have to wonder if God is actually paying attention down here.  Does He not recognize that &#8220;His children&#8221; are doing more to harm people and denigrate His name then the evilest of people alive?</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 07:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This.....

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;For much of Sunday’s service, the topic of homosexuality was slipped in between mentions of corruption and witchcraft; evils that Ugandans were told they should wish away.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The comparison/association of one&#039;s personal sexuality to government corruption and witchcraft, one a religious choice they associate with killing and another Ugandans associate with the past (present?) problems of authoricratic rulers is ludicrous and nears criminal recklessness.

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And then appears Bahati and Buturo.....

&lt;blockquote&gt;The bill’s sponsor, &lt;strong&gt;David Bahati, who attended Sunday’s service, said in an interview that it was likely that some of its harsher provisions, including the death penalty, would be taken out before its passage, which he said he expected soon&lt;/strong&gt;. But, he said, the goal of the bill would remain the same. The turnout for the free prayer service, and the support from Mr. Engle, were a good sign, Mr. Bahati said.

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Moments after Mr. Engle and his entourage filed off of the athletic grounds, Uganda’s minister of ethics, James Buturo, another of the bill’s supporters, came on stage and told those assembled: “&lt;strong&gt;These are desperate times, but we will not accept intimidation. It is our business to do what God wants. Pray for Bahati, and pray for the bill&lt;/strong&gt;.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>For much of Sunday’s service, the topic of homosexuality was slipped in between mentions of corruption and witchcraft; evils that Ugandans were told they should wish away.</strong> </p></blockquote>
<p>The comparison/association of one&#8217;s personal sexuality to government corruption and witchcraft, one a religious choice they associate with killing and another Ugandans associate with the past (present?) problems of authoricratic rulers is ludicrous and nears criminal recklessness.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>And then appears Bahati and Buturo&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p>The bill’s sponsor, <strong>David Bahati, who attended Sunday’s service, said in an interview that it was likely that some of its harsher provisions, including the death penalty, would be taken out before its passage, which he said he expected soon</strong>. But, he said, the goal of the bill would remain the same. The turnout for the free prayer service, and the support from Mr. Engle, were a good sign, Mr. Bahati said.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Moments after Mr. Engle and his entourage filed off of the athletic grounds, Uganda’s minister of ethics, James Buturo, another of the bill’s supporters, came on stage and told those assembled: “<strong>These are desperate times, but we will not accept intimidation. It is our business to do what God wants. Pray for Bahati, and pray for the bill</strong>.” </p></blockquote>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 07:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoops... usually I look to see what is new before I post anything.  I missed this when I posted the Times article in the previous Engle thread.   Along with the Kansas City group which derided Engle&#039;s Ugandan appearance:

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&lt;strong&gt;Evangelist is criticized for attending rally in Uganda, which is considering death penalty for homosexuals &lt;/strong&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;A group of clergy in Kansas City this week criticized a local evangelist for attending a church rally this weekend in Uganda.

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The country is considering legislation that would allow the death penalty for homosexuals.

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The clergy group, called the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kccoalition.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Kansas City Coalition of Welcoming Congregations&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, urged Lou Engle, a co-founder of TheCall ministry based in Kansas City, not to spread a homophobic message.

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“&lt;strong&gt;Engle is known for his message of God’s wrath and has a track record of referring to gay people as having demons&lt;/strong&gt;,” according to a statement by the coalition.

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Engle did not respond to requests for an interview, but in a statement posted on TheCall’s website he said he was unaware of the legislation when the rally was planned and “will not promote this bill.”

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He said his ministry supported Christian church leaders in Uganda who sought to protect “traditional and Biblical family foundations” but it does not promote hatred toward homosexuals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Read more:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/30/1915317/local-evangelist-is-criticized.html

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops&#8230; usually I look to see what is new before I post anything.  I missed this when I posted the Times article in the previous Engle thread.   Along with the Kansas City group which derided Engle&#8217;s Ugandan appearance:</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><strong>Evangelist is criticized for attending rally in Uganda, which is considering death penalty for homosexuals </strong> </p>
<blockquote><p>A group of clergy in Kansas City this week criticized a local evangelist for attending a church rally this weekend in Uganda.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>The country is considering legislation that would allow the death penalty for homosexuals.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>The clergy group, called the <a href="http://www.kccoalition.org/" rel="nofollow"><strong>Kansas City Coalition of Welcoming Congregations</strong></a>, urged Lou Engle, a co-founder of TheCall ministry based in Kansas City, not to spread a homophobic message.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>“<strong>Engle is known for his message of God’s wrath and has a track record of referring to gay people as having demons</strong>,” according to a statement by the coalition.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Engle did not respond to requests for an interview, but in a statement posted on TheCall’s website he said he was unaware of the legislation when the rally was planned and “will not promote this bill.”</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>He said his ministry supported Christian church leaders in Uganda who sought to protect “traditional and Biblical family foundations” but it does not promote hatred toward homosexuals.</p></blockquote>
<p>Read more:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/30/1915317/local-evangelist-is-criticized.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/30/1915317/local-evangelist-is-criticized.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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