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		By: Maazi N.C.O		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Icearc wrote:



&quot;..But the longer this bill remains in committee, the more Ugandans grow weary of it, the long pause has provided sober evaluation of the bill...&quot;

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Icearc, you are right on the money!! A sober evaluation free from the wildness of Ssempa and Gang will trim down the bill and in the end, refined segments of the bill will help set up the country as a bulwark against the emergent Gayist insurrection led by the Ugandan subsidiaries of Euro-American Gay Lobbies.  This refined law will ban trojan horse NGOs and Western-controlled UN agencies in Uganda from distributing gay propaganda booklets to our school children forever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Icearc wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;..But the longer this bill remains in committee, the more Ugandans grow weary of it, the long pause has provided sober evaluation of the bill&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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<p>Icearc, you are right on the money!! A sober evaluation free from the wildness of Ssempa and Gang will trim down the bill and in the end, refined segments of the bill will help set up the country as a bulwark against the emergent Gayist insurrection led by the Ugandan subsidiaries of Euro-American Gay Lobbies.  This refined law will ban trojan horse NGOs and Western-controlled UN agencies in Uganda from distributing gay propaganda booklets to our school children forever.</p>
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		By: Maazi N.C.O		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/30/bahati-gets-some-encouragement/#comment-39198</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi N.C.O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[icearc, its good to hear that a fellow Ugandan is also reading my posts. Your comments about  ordinances, regulations, etc, are quite funny. We are talking of ancient African Kingdoms not the Roman Empire. Are you going to ask me about the Ugandan version of Margna Carta? Since you are a fellow Ugandan, I guess there is no need to remind you that Gayism is not part of our culture which is largely based on customs and oral (not written) traditions. 



Your attempts to hold the hands of Westerners whose culture is obviously alluring to you and tell them it will be alright---that  Gayism will be allowed in Uganda and that the people of Uganda will welcome gay tourists once the evil Bahati/Ssempa/Buturo gang are removed--- will no doubt bring some comfort to the Lobbyists in the short term, but it in the long term, we all know it will end in tears. 



BTW, did you know that the  present  Kabaka supports Bahati&#039;s bill despite his ongoing battle against Museveni? Now thats the African spirit at work !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icearc, its good to hear that a fellow Ugandan is also reading my posts. Your comments about  ordinances, regulations, etc, are quite funny. We are talking of ancient African Kingdoms not the Roman Empire. Are you going to ask me about the Ugandan version of Margna Carta? Since you are a fellow Ugandan, I guess there is no need to remind you that Gayism is not part of our culture which is largely based on customs and oral (not written) traditions. </p>
<p>Your attempts to hold the hands of Westerners whose culture is obviously alluring to you and tell them it will be alright&#8212;that  Gayism will be allowed in Uganda and that the people of Uganda will welcome gay tourists once the evil Bahati/Ssempa/Buturo gang are removed&#8212; will no doubt bring some comfort to the Lobbyists in the short term, but it in the long term, we all know it will end in tears. </p>
<p>BTW, did you know that the  present  Kabaka supports Bahati&#8217;s bill despite his ongoing battle against Museveni? Now thats the African spirit at work !</p>
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		By: icearc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 07:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MaaziNCO, remember that it&#039;s not only foreigners that read your posts! So when you feel the need to be revisionist, a fellow Ugandan will point it out. Kabaka Mwanga did not learn any homosexuality from the Arab traders, in fact, they were even more anti-homosexual than the Christian missionaries.

Fact 1: Mwanga was already having sex with his pages, just that this time, these pages had converted to Christianity and the practice was against their adopted belief.

Fact 2: Mwanga&#039;s furious reaction to their refusal was as a result of complex interactions of factors including: his concern that absolute royal authority was being undermined; the influence of the Moslems/Arabs who had contempt for the Christians; etc

Fact 3: The pages we now know as Ugandan Martyrs were not burned at the stake primarily because they refused to renounce their faith, the instigating factor is well known, although it was romanticized to a Shadrach, Meschack, and Abdnego sequel from &lt;strong&gt;Daniel 3&lt;/strong&gt; by the missionaries as an evangelizing tool.



Can you prove in any cultural institution in Uganda specific rules,ordinances and regulations regarding gays? 

You seem to have made up your mind that Mwanga was the first gay Ugandan, and even more blame it on the Arab traders. I counter due to his prominence, he was the one we get to know. 



And as the forum for Cultural leaders, are you still in Uganda? The only cultural leader who has stood for his people is the Buganda Kabaka, the rest unfortunately have allowed themselves to become political stooges to the current regime, and not forgetting el colonel, Muammar Gaddaffi! Which is not their fault per se, you can&#039;t bite the hand that feeds you, unlike the Kabaka of Buganda, they do not have massive financial resources to be independent.



But the longer this bill remains in committee, the more Ugandans grow weary of it, the long pause has provided sober evaluation of the bill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MaaziNCO, remember that it&#8217;s not only foreigners that read your posts! So when you feel the need to be revisionist, a fellow Ugandan will point it out. Kabaka Mwanga did not learn any homosexuality from the Arab traders, in fact, they were even more anti-homosexual than the Christian missionaries.</p>
<p>Fact 1: Mwanga was already having sex with his pages, just that this time, these pages had converted to Christianity and the practice was against their adopted belief.</p>
<p>Fact 2: Mwanga&#8217;s furious reaction to their refusal was as a result of complex interactions of factors including: his concern that absolute royal authority was being undermined; the influence of the Moslems/Arabs who had contempt for the Christians; etc</p>
<p>Fact 3: The pages we now know as Ugandan Martyrs were not burned at the stake primarily because they refused to renounce their faith, the instigating factor is well known, although it was romanticized to a Shadrach, Meschack, and Abdnego sequel from <strong>Daniel 3</strong> by the missionaries as an evangelizing tool.</p>
<p>Can you prove in any cultural institution in Uganda specific rules,ordinances and regulations regarding gays? </p>
<p>You seem to have made up your mind that Mwanga was the first gay Ugandan, and even more blame it on the Arab traders. I counter due to his prominence, he was the one we get to know. </p>
<p>And as the forum for Cultural leaders, are you still in Uganda? The only cultural leader who has stood for his people is the Buganda Kabaka, the rest unfortunately have allowed themselves to become political stooges to the current regime, and not forgetting el colonel, Muammar Gaddaffi! Which is not their fault per se, you can&#8217;t bite the hand that feeds you, unlike the Kabaka of Buganda, they do not have massive financial resources to be independent.</p>
<p>But the longer this bill remains in committee, the more Ugandans grow weary of it, the long pause has provided sober evaluation of the bill.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 19:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MaaziNCO - Do you have any evidence for your claim that Arabs taught homosexuality to Mwanga?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MaaziNCO &#8211; Do you have any evidence for your claim that Arabs taught homosexuality to Mwanga?</p>
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		By: Maazi N.C.O		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi N.C.O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 18:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anteros, 



You are obviously joking when you claim that Ugandans &quot;were happy to have gay king&quot; , thus implying that it was colonialists and missionaries that transformed the &quot;stupid africans&quot; into anti-gay resistance. Yes, the British colonialists wrote the anti-gay laws, but this does not mean that Ugandans (and by extension, Africans) supported Gayism in the past.  In fact, I will say that this is probably one of the few issues where the Africans held common position with their colonial oppressors. This is the truth not the colourful false stories about &quot;a pre-colonial Africa filled with gay-loving natives, soon to be decieved by evil missionaries&quot; contained in revisionist books written by Western academic who are obviously more talented than Greek mythologists. For your information, missionaries opposed a lot of things Africans did, but that doesn&#039;t mean that Africans abandoned them. Polygamy was actively opposed by the missionaries. But polygamy remains legal across Africa, even in predominantly christian African nations. I know for a fact that  several baptized African christians engage in polygamy to the dismay of local church clergy. Also church resistance has not wiped out animist african religions. In fact some christians  incorporate some animism into their daily life. My point is quite simple. Africans resisted the missionaries&#039; attempts  to eradicate polygamy because it is an integral part of their culture. Gayism is not part of African culture so missionaries did not really have to convince people about the harmful effects of  homosexual practice on their well-being and society at large. By the way, the deviant Buganda king learnt his love for homosexuality from Arab traders who introduced it to East Africa starting with Zanzibar. So no way would the &quot;natives&quot; have endorsed the king&#039;s homosexuality in any form. The Catholic Matyrs&#039; were not ex-lovers of the King. The royal page boys&#039; opposition to the monarch&#039;s deviant lifestyle is as much an African cultural reaction as it is a reaction based on their catholic faith. Nice try anteros, but 96% of Ugandans don&#039;t buy your pro-gay propaganda]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anteros, </p>
<p>You are obviously joking when you claim that Ugandans &#8220;were happy to have gay king&#8221; , thus implying that it was colonialists and missionaries that transformed the &#8220;stupid africans&#8221; into anti-gay resistance. Yes, the British colonialists wrote the anti-gay laws, but this does not mean that Ugandans (and by extension, Africans) supported Gayism in the past.  In fact, I will say that this is probably one of the few issues where the Africans held common position with their colonial oppressors. This is the truth not the colourful false stories about &#8220;a pre-colonial Africa filled with gay-loving natives, soon to be decieved by evil missionaries&#8221; contained in revisionist books written by Western academic who are obviously more talented than Greek mythologists. For your information, missionaries opposed a lot of things Africans did, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that Africans abandoned them. Polygamy was actively opposed by the missionaries. But polygamy remains legal across Africa, even in predominantly christian African nations. I know for a fact that  several baptized African christians engage in polygamy to the dismay of local church clergy. Also church resistance has not wiped out animist african religions. In fact some christians  incorporate some animism into their daily life. My point is quite simple. Africans resisted the missionaries&#8217; attempts  to eradicate polygamy because it is an integral part of their culture. Gayism is not part of African culture so missionaries did not really have to convince people about the harmful effects of  homosexual practice on their well-being and society at large. By the way, the deviant Buganda king learnt his love for homosexuality from Arab traders who introduced it to East Africa starting with Zanzibar. So no way would the &#8220;natives&#8221; have endorsed the king&#8217;s homosexuality in any form. The Catholic Matyrs&#8217; were not ex-lovers of the King. The royal page boys&#8217; opposition to the monarch&#8217;s deviant lifestyle is as much an African cultural reaction as it is a reaction based on their catholic faith. Nice try anteros, but 96% of Ugandans don&#8217;t buy your pro-gay propaganda</p>
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