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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39190</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 04:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The blog is run by the organization and there is a link promoting it on the right side of the front page of their website.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog is run by the organization and there is a link promoting it on the right side of the front page of their website.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39189</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 03:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just for future clarity...are the terms &#039;Webpage&#039; and &#039;Blogspot&#039; interchangeable? I went to what I thought was called their Webpage and didn&#039;t notice any links to a Blog page. I&#039;ll check again in the morning...still learning my way around the web.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for future clarity&#8230;are the terms &#8216;Webpage&#8217; and &#8216;Blogspot&#8217; interchangeable? I went to what I thought was called their Webpage and didn&#8217;t notice any links to a Blog page. I&#8217;ll check again in the morning&#8230;still learning my way around the web.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39188</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 01:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well - looks like Warren gave the evidence I did not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8211; looks like Warren gave the evidence I did not.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39187</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 23:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Eddy - I appreciate the information.  It was my observation long ago that their concern and focus was in supporting and encouraging those individuals who experienced dissonance with their homosexuality.  I also know parents and friends who are hurting deeply and have nowhere else to go for support  or encouragement have found it with PFOX.  I don&#039;t think anyone who is content with their homosexuality need to worry about them as they are not their focus.  I am sure mistakes have been made, as with other organizations or people, however, there are ways to communicate this to them so there is civility instead of exploiting a perceived wrong that validates a confirmation bias.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eddy &#8211; I appreciate the information.  It was my observation long ago that their concern and focus was in supporting and encouraging those individuals who experienced dissonance with their homosexuality.  I also know parents and friends who are hurting deeply and have nowhere else to go for support  or encouragement have found it with PFOX.  I don&#8217;t think anyone who is content with their homosexuality need to worry about them as they are not their focus.  I am sure mistakes have been made, as with other organizations or people, however, there are ways to communicate this to them so there is civility instead of exploiting a perceived wrong that validates a confirmation bias.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39186</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 17:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann--

LOL. On your behalf, I visited the PFOX website and can&#039;t find all of this &#039;Anti&#039; rhetoric that supposedly dominates the site. It&#039;s not on their home page.



 I followed the &#039;Equal Rights&#039; link and found 26 topics with 0 speaking against gay rights. Predominantly, they were consistent with PFOX&#039; stated goal of defending the right of the ex-gay message to exist and demanding equal time. 



I followed the &#039;Articles&#039; link and found 21 articles...2 of them were related to the gay marriage issue. If someone could point out which of the others were &#039;anti-gay&#039; and why, I&#039;d appreciate it. 



I followed the &#039;News&#039; link and found nothing for 2010. Again, if someone could point which were &#039;anti-gay&#039; and why, I&#039;d be ever so grateful. 



I also followed the &#039;Brochures&#039; link and again came up with zip. 



In short, there were only 2 anti-gay family postings that I found. And, as we&#039;ve often said on this site, the term &#039;anti-gay&#039; tends to be both inflammatory and generalized. (LOL. I was actually a bit surprised by these results...based on all the criticisms I&#039;ve heard, I honestly thought there would be a bit more substance to be found on their site.) 



It appears that the bulk of their articles and comments are in defense of ex-gay rights and aren&#039;t focussed on taking away the rights of anyone--with the notable exception of gay marriage which had the two postings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann&#8211;</p>
<p>LOL. On your behalf, I visited the PFOX website and can&#8217;t find all of this &#8216;Anti&#8217; rhetoric that supposedly dominates the site. It&#8217;s not on their home page.</p>
<p> I followed the &#8216;Equal Rights&#8217; link and found 26 topics with 0 speaking against gay rights. Predominantly, they were consistent with PFOX&#8217; stated goal of defending the right of the ex-gay message to exist and demanding equal time. </p>
<p>I followed the &#8216;Articles&#8217; link and found 21 articles&#8230;2 of them were related to the gay marriage issue. If someone could point out which of the others were &#8216;anti-gay&#8217; and why, I&#8217;d appreciate it. </p>
<p>I followed the &#8216;News&#8217; link and found nothing for 2010. Again, if someone could point which were &#8216;anti-gay&#8217; and why, I&#8217;d be ever so grateful. </p>
<p>I also followed the &#8216;Brochures&#8217; link and again came up with zip. </p>
<p>In short, there were only 2 anti-gay family postings that I found. And, as we&#8217;ve often said on this site, the term &#8216;anti-gay&#8217; tends to be both inflammatory and generalized. (LOL. I was actually a bit surprised by these results&#8230;based on all the criticisms I&#8217;ve heard, I honestly thought there would be a bit more substance to be found on their site.) </p>
<p>It appears that the bulk of their articles and comments are in defense of ex-gay rights and aren&#8217;t focussed on taking away the rights of anyone&#8211;with the notable exception of gay marriage which had the two postings.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39185</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 16:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PFOX does not support equal rights for gay people and that includes gay marriage - Their web site is chock full of anti-gay and anti-gay-family information.  They most definitely can&#039;t be called an inclusive or accepting group]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PFOX does not support equal rights for gay people and that includes gay marriage &#8211; Their web site is chock full of anti-gay and anti-gay-family information.  They most definitely can&#8217;t be called an inclusive or accepting group</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39184</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 16:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann,



&lt;blockquote&gt;All things considered, there is an imbalance of inclusiveness and acceptance and tolerance and it is not coming from those who people call exgay.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I think this is wrong Ann.  As far as I know PFOX is not accepting of gay families and gay people, and if I remember right, they don&#039;t believe gay people deserve the same rights, ie gay marriage, as other people.  They definitely can&#039;t be called inclusive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<blockquote><p>All things considered, there is an imbalance of inclusiveness and acceptance and tolerance and it is not coming from those who people call exgay.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is wrong Ann.  As far as I know PFOX is not accepting of gay families and gay people, and if I remember right, they don&#8217;t believe gay people deserve the same rights, ie gay marriage, as other people.  They definitely can&#8217;t be called inclusive.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39183</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 15:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;But they are not inclusive, that is the point. In my experience, they portray themselves as something they are not. They want to appear inclusive and secular but they are a far right Christian group who has one answer to homosexuality – repair it. – Not even live with it, view it as a cross or bear or some other congruence view. I was involved with PFOX from 2003-2006, I regret to say and I heard in public we are not religious but know the back story.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I have not looked at the PFOX web site or blog in a long time (years) so I am not sure what there current position is, however, I do not think the above description is fair or completely accurate.  To be sure, it can be said that the gay advocates generally have only one answer for homosexuality - accept it and come out and live as a gay man/woman.  Also, one would be hard pressed to find inclusiveness for those who have chosen to respond to their homosexuality in a different way.  All things considered, there is an imbalance of inclusiveness and acceptance and tolerance and it is not coming from those who people call exgay.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But they are not inclusive, that is the point. In my experience, they portray themselves as something they are not. They want to appear inclusive and secular but they are a far right Christian group who has one answer to homosexuality – repair it. – Not even live with it, view it as a cross or bear or some other congruence view. I was involved with PFOX from 2003-2006, I regret to say and I heard in public we are not religious but know the back story.</p>
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<p>I have not looked at the PFOX web site or blog in a long time (years) so I am not sure what there current position is, however, I do not think the above description is fair or completely accurate.  To be sure, it can be said that the gay advocates generally have only one answer for homosexuality &#8211; accept it and come out and live as a gay man/woman.  Also, one would be hard pressed to find inclusiveness for those who have chosen to respond to their homosexuality in a different way.  All things considered, there is an imbalance of inclusiveness and acceptance and tolerance and it is not coming from those who people call exgay.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/29/brief-note-dc-mayor-apologized-for-pfox-commendation/#comment-39182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are at least two threads going on the PFOX certificate controversy. I just realized, Ann, that at least a portion of my recent post on the other thread, was in answer to your questions. I agree with you that this situation is evidence of discriminatory attitudes and practice and I also wonder why the mayor can&#039;t be supportive of all his law-abiding constituents. I&#039;m beginning to think that &#039;celebrate diversity&#039; is just another meaningless phrase.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are at least two threads going on the PFOX certificate controversy. I just realized, Ann, that at least a portion of my recent post on the other thread, was in answer to your questions. I agree with you that this situation is evidence of discriminatory attitudes and practice and I also wonder why the mayor can&#8217;t be supportive of all his law-abiding constituents. I&#8217;m beginning to think that &#8216;celebrate diversity&#8217; is just another meaningless phrase.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 12:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;from a Mayor that has been nothing short of supportive of gay families and gay people – LOL – did Regina not think to question this at all?

&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I do not know Regina, however, why would she question the mayor at all?  Is there a reason why he wouldn&#039;t be supportive of gay families and gay people as you call them (I would rather say people and families), as well as individuals like the man in the video who is now married to a woman?  Why wouldn&#039;t the mayor be supportive of both?  To be otherwise is discriminatory, isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>from a Mayor that has been nothing short of supportive of gay families and gay people – LOL – did Regina not think to question this at all?</p>
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<p>I do not know Regina, however, why would she question the mayor at all?  Is there a reason why he wouldn&#8217;t be supportive of gay families and gay people as you call them (I would rather say people and families), as well as individuals like the man in the video who is now married to a woman?  Why wouldn&#8217;t the mayor be supportive of both?  To be otherwise is discriminatory, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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