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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/06/factsaboutyouth-com-a-critical-review/#comment-38784</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now, here is a thread that needed to continue. Ned, Al, I hope you are reading. I would appreciate, especially from Al, a response to the evidence I put forward.



Ned, I am still considering your thoughts. I reviewed the APA document and I am not sure that I agree that the studies were mishandled to the degree that you propose. Still reflecting....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, here is a thread that needed to continue. Ned, Al, I hope you are reading. I would appreciate, especially from Al, a response to the evidence I put forward.</p>
<p>Ned, I am still considering your thoughts. I reviewed the APA document and I am not sure that I agree that the studies were mishandled to the degree that you propose. Still reflecting&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lots of people, Jayhuck. I&#039;d say the majority of those in the Christian Right, probably in excess of 90%. Huckabee for example has been photographed with the head of MassResistance, one of the more rabidly mendacious of these groups.



Here&#039;s what OneNewsNow said about this site:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Physicians help parents, schools combat propaganda



The American College of Pediatricians (ACP) is cautioning educators and expressing concerns on dealing with sexual orientation and gender confusion by sending a letter to every U.S. school superintendent.



 



ACP president Dr. Thomas Benton sent the letter to the school districts. In that letter he refers recipients to FactsAboutYouth.com, a website that has been established to provide educators, parents, and youngsters factual information about sexual development. He encourages parents to go to the site, check out the facts, and start a dialogue with their school superintendent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How many are going to know the facts about this unholy alliance?  How many are going to uncritically accept what they say, and go on to quote it in comments and letters to the editor as strong evidence in support of  their actions?&lt;blockquote&gt;The AFTAH executive director adds that the false information obtained from activists is designed to promote their gender-identity disorder, but the new website takes on more importance because parents generally have no clue how active the homosexual agenda is in schools.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s all a conspiracy you see. All of the things wrong with our schools. A vast, anti-American  conspiracy by the &lt;strike&gt;Jews&lt;/strike&gt;  &lt;strike&gt;Communists&lt;/strike&gt; Gays.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people, Jayhuck. I&#8217;d say the majority of those in the Christian Right, probably in excess of 90%. Huckabee for example has been photographed with the head of MassResistance, one of the more rabidly mendacious of these groups.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what OneNewsNow said about this site:</p>
<blockquote><p>Physicians help parents, schools combat propaganda</p>
<p>The American College of Pediatricians (ACP) is cautioning educators and expressing concerns on dealing with sexual orientation and gender confusion by sending a letter to every U.S. school superintendent.</p>
<p>ACP president Dr. Thomas Benton sent the letter to the school districts. In that letter he refers recipients to FactsAboutYouth.com, a website that has been established to provide educators, parents, and youngsters factual information about sexual development. He encourages parents to go to the site, check out the facts, and start a dialogue with their school superintendent.</p></blockquote>
<p>How many are going to know the facts about this unholy alliance?  How many are going to uncritically accept what they say, and go on to quote it in comments and letters to the editor as strong evidence in support of  their actions?</p>
<blockquote><p>The AFTAH executive director adds that the false information obtained from activists is designed to promote their gender-identity disorder, but the new website takes on more importance because parents generally have no clue how active the homosexual agenda is in schools.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s all a conspiracy you see. All of the things wrong with our schools. A vast, anti-American  conspiracy by the <strike>Jews</strike>  <strike>Communists</strike> Gays.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/06/factsaboutyouth-com-a-critical-review/#comment-38782</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 07:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh c&#039;mon - Wasn&#039;t FOTF denounced as a credible organization after authors of several studies came out claiming they distorted their research to further their own particular agenda.  Who is actually taking these groups seriously?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh c&#8217;mon &#8211; Wasn&#8217;t FOTF denounced as a credible organization after authors of several studies came out claiming they distorted their research to further their own particular agenda.  Who is actually taking these groups seriously?</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 05:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Zoe Brain....&lt;/strong&gt; Meanwhile, FactsAboutYouth.com because of its appareny neutrality and professional authorship has garnered much favour:

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Christian Post – “Conservative Pediatricians Caution Schools on Gay-Affirming Policies”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At least the Christian Post correctly identified the pediatricians as &#039;conservative.&#039;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Zoe Brain&#8230;.</strong> Meanwhile, FactsAboutYouth.com because of its appareny neutrality and professional authorship has garnered much favour:</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Christian Post – “Conservative Pediatricians Caution Schools on Gay-Affirming Policies”</p></blockquote>
<p>At least the Christian Post correctly identified the pediatricians as &#8216;conservative.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/06/factsaboutyouth-com-a-critical-review/#comment-38780</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Warren.  Good approach.



Assuming the membership rates and total above, if their non-physician membership is twice that of their physician membership, they would have 313 members.



I think we can say &quot;about 300 dues paying members&quot; and assume we are accurate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Warren.  Good approach.</p>
<p>Assuming the membership rates and total above, if their non-physician membership is twice that of their physician membership, they would have 313 members.</p>
<p>I think we can say &#8220;about 300 dues paying members&#8221; and assume we are accurate.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/06/factsaboutyouth-com-a-critical-review/#comment-38779</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to ACP&#039;s 2008 990 reports found on Guidestar, they took in $44,349 in membership dues. According to the website, to be a physician member, the dues is $225. However, you can be an associate member for $100. Looking at the committee who developed the Facts About Youth, website, 5 of them are not physicians. Arthur Goldberg is listed as a BCPC - board certified professional counselor (this is a meaningless certification from the American Board of Professional Counseling - one does not need to have a counseling degree to get this certification). More about that later...



Anyway, if the membership consisted of physicians, there would  be about 200, and with the likelihood that the membership is mostly non physicians, they could have perhaps twice that in total members.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to ACP&#8217;s 2008 990 reports found on Guidestar, they took in $44,349 in membership dues. According to the website, to be a physician member, the dues is $225. However, you can be an associate member for $100. Looking at the committee who developed the Facts About Youth, website, 5 of them are not physicians. Arthur Goldberg is listed as a BCPC &#8211; board certified professional counselor (this is a meaningless certification from the American Board of Professional Counseling &#8211; one does not need to have a counseling degree to get this certification). More about that later&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, if the membership consisted of physicians, there would  be about 200, and with the likelihood that the membership is mostly non physicians, they could have perhaps twice that in total members.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/04/06/factsaboutyouth-com-a-critical-review/#comment-38778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David,



A press release sent out in 2003 claimed that they &lt;a href=&quot;http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/afa/292003e.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;started with about 100 members&lt;/a&gt;.  This seems to have been purged from the ACP website (which avoids all mention of membership rolls) but is still available on the wonderful internet.



They may have more (or less), but that&#039;s probably a good reference number for membership until further info is provided.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>A press release sent out in 2003 claimed that they <a href="http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/afa/292003e.asp" rel="nofollow">started with about 100 members</a>.  This seems to have been purged from the ACP website (which avoids all mention of membership rolls) but is still available on the wonderful internet.</p>
<p>They may have more (or less), but that&#8217;s probably a good reference number for membership until further info is provided.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren, I think your position can be best summed up in the words of Keynes : &quot;When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?&quot;



Meanwhile, FactsAboutYouth.com because of its appareny neutrality and professional authorship has garnered much favour:



&lt;em&gt;Mercatornet&lt;/em&gt; - &quot;FactsAboutYouth.com looks like a very useful website, providing some balance in an issue which can be very divisive in school communities.&quot;



&lt;em&gt;Citizenlink&lt;/em&gt; - &quot;Doctors Say Schools May Be Spreading Misinformation About Homosexuality&quot;



&lt;em&gt;WorldNetDaily&lt;/em&gt; - &quot;Pediatricians warn educators not to promote being &#039;gay&#039;&quot;



&lt;em&gt;Christian Post&lt;/em&gt; - &quot;Conservative Pediatricians Caution Schools on Gay-Affirming Policies&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren, I think your position can be best summed up in the words of Keynes : &#8220;When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, FactsAboutYouth.com because of its appareny neutrality and professional authorship has garnered much favour:</p>
<p><em>Mercatornet</em> &#8211; &#8220;FactsAboutYouth.com looks like a very useful website, providing some balance in an issue which can be very divisive in school communities.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Citizenlink</em> &#8211; &#8220;Doctors Say Schools May Be Spreading Misinformation About Homosexuality&#8221;</p>
<p><em>WorldNetDaily</em> &#8211; &#8220;Pediatricians warn educators not to promote being &#8216;gay'&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Christian Post</em> &#8211; &#8220;Conservative Pediatricians Caution Schools on Gay-Affirming Policies&#8221;</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 03:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They list their charter members on their &quot;About Us&quot; page.  



http://www.americancollegeofpediatricians.org/Charter-Members.html



They don&#039;t provide any other membership figures that I can find.  However, if there were many other members, it wouldn&#039;t make sense to ignore them on the website, while listing 50 charter members by name.  Accordingly, I conclude that the group consists largely or entirely of its charter members as listed, and its board.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They list their charter members on their &#8220;About Us&#8221; page.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.americancollegeofpediatricians.org/Charter-Members.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.americancollegeofpediatricians.org/Charter-Members.html</a></p>
<p>They don&#8217;t provide any other membership figures that I can find.  However, if there were many other members, it wouldn&#8217;t make sense to ignore them on the website, while listing 50 charter members by name.  Accordingly, I conclude that the group consists largely or entirely of its charter members as listed, and its board.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ned,



If you want to read my full analysis, you can do so &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/tag/jones-yarhouse-study&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned,</p>
<p>If you want to read my full analysis, you can do so <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/tag/jones-yarhouse-study" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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