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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am shutting down this thread.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shutting down this thread.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I am out of here for good. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Concerned,



I respect you so much and understand what you mean.  Please do not be gone too long as everything you have said has meant a lot to me.  God bless you and your children.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am out of here for good. </p></blockquote>
<p>Concerned,</p>
<p>I respect you so much and understand what you mean.  Please do not be gone too long as everything you have said has meant a lot to me.  God bless you and your children.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe it is a normal and healthy variant of human sexuality and sexual orientation. 



I do not think it is sin. It’s not a condition. It’s not an addition. It’s not a disease. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with being gay. That is my bias. I am proud of it on every level.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Ok, then just be content with your convictions and allow others to do the same.  I am always glad when one is not conflicted as I have seen how it can affect someone their whole life.  Something tells me contentment comes with peace in one&#039;s heart and I am not sure if this is what I am getting from your words here.



&lt;blockquote&gt; I think that what you believe about it is a bunch of homophobic, dangerous, bigotted, destructive crap. Clear enough?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



For whatever it is worth, it saddens me to know you resorted to these words.  I know others do and their reputation for doing so precedes anything they might say but I thought you were different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe it is a normal and healthy variant of human sexuality and sexual orientation. </p>
<p>I do not think it is sin. It’s not a condition. It’s not an addition. It’s not a disease. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with being gay. That is my bias. I am proud of it on every level.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, then just be content with your convictions and allow others to do the same.  I am always glad when one is not conflicted as I have seen how it can affect someone their whole life.  Something tells me contentment comes with peace in one&#8217;s heart and I am not sure if this is what I am getting from your words here.</p>
<blockquote><p> I think that what you believe about it is a bunch of homophobic, dangerous, bigotted, destructive crap. Clear enough?</p></blockquote>
<p>For whatever it is worth, it saddens me to know you resorted to these words.  I know others do and their reputation for doing so precedes anything they might say but I thought you were different.</p>
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		By: concerned		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[concerned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;What do you call believing that gayness is broken, a disorder, a sin that will land you in hell if not “biased”?&lt;/em&gt;



   Normal, healthy, on the right track.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What do you call believing that gayness is broken, a disorder, a sin that will land you in hell if not “biased”?</em></p>
<p>   Normal, healthy, on the right track.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You cannot explain the reality of the experience away with word games&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Who&#039;s experience?  Honestly, what good would it do anyone if we all experienced sexual feelings the same way?  It seems as though you want an admission that is black or white from others regarding their sexuality - that is just not going to happen.  Sometimes people do not make it a priority in their life and are busy going about living instead of comparing themselves to others.  Some would call this trusting God and allowing Him to prepare us for a life that would honor Him and those we love or have yet to love.  None of us are obligated to compromise our personal resolve in how we think or live just to satisify another&#039;s perspective or opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You cannot explain the reality of the experience away with word games</p></blockquote>
<p>Who&#8217;s experience?  Honestly, what good would it do anyone if we all experienced sexual feelings the same way?  It seems as though you want an admission that is black or white from others regarding their sexuality &#8211; that is just not going to happen.  Sometimes people do not make it a priority in their life and are busy going about living instead of comparing themselves to others.  Some would call this trusting God and allowing Him to prepare us for a life that would honor Him and those we love or have yet to love.  None of us are obligated to compromise our personal resolve in how we think or live just to satisify another&#8217;s perspective or opinion.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/03/15/the-value-of-self-determination-in-counseling/#comment-38430</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m obviously NOT ignoring them.  I don&#039;t AGREE with them.  I don&#039;t agree with you -- or your bias that gay sex is sin, that gayness is broken, that you will go to hell if you don&#039;t stop, that it can and should be &quot;fixed&quot; somehow.   That&#039;s the great divide, not this silly semantic chess game about terms and constructs.



You asked me once to just come out and tell you that I &quot;thought you were full of crap&quot;.  OK.  You got it.   

 



Everyone but you seems to get this.  Orientation is about ATTRACTIONS. ORIENTATION &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;IS &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;ATTRACTION.  It&#039;s which way the needle points.  It&#039;s about the &lt;em&gt;direction of the attractions&lt;/em&gt; -- gay or straight -- and to a certain extent, the other things the APA mentioned as being &quot;based on those attractions&quot;.



You cannot explain the reality of the experience away with word games.  I think you are still gay, Eddy.   And the other thing you mentioned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m obviously NOT ignoring them.  I don&#8217;t AGREE with them.  I don&#8217;t agree with you &#8212; or your bias that gay sex is sin, that gayness is broken, that you will go to hell if you don&#8217;t stop, that it can and should be &#8220;fixed&#8221; somehow.   That&#8217;s the great divide, not this silly semantic chess game about terms and constructs.</p>
<p>You asked me once to just come out and tell you that I &#8220;thought you were full of crap&#8221;.  OK.  You got it.   </p>
<p>Everyone but you seems to get this.  Orientation is about ATTRACTIONS. ORIENTATION <strong><em>IS </em></strong>ATTRACTION.  It&#8217;s which way the needle points.  It&#8217;s about the <em>direction of the attractions</em> &#8212; gay or straight &#8212; and to a certain extent, the other things the APA mentioned as being &#8220;based on those attractions&#8221;.</p>
<p>You cannot explain the reality of the experience away with word games.  I think you are still gay, Eddy.   And the other thing you mentioned.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m simply subscribing to the FULL definition of sexual orientation. If motives and agendas are going to be alleged, it ought to go towards those, like yourself, who choose only one phrase...only one item....out of the complex definition. 



I&#039;m appealing to the thoughtful, well-rounded definition; what are you appealing to?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m simply subscribing to the FULL definition of sexual orientation. If motives and agendas are going to be alleged, it ought to go towards those, like yourself, who choose only one phrase&#8230;only one item&#8230;.out of the complex definition. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m appealing to the thoughtful, well-rounded definition; what are you appealing to?</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just because you don&#039;t like the words, doesn&#039;t mean that they don&#039;t have a validity and a meaning to practically everyone else in describing the experience of folks who are not heterosexual.  I prefer the term &quot;gay&quot;.  My brother is straight.  My Mom and Dad were straight.  You are free to call it anything you please.  



You want to minimize the centrality of attraction -- making it more about identity, behavior and community affiliation.  That fits you and your &quot;gay sex is sin&quot; agenda.  That way, you can still be homosexual (exclusively) in attraction and still masturbate to gay fantasies (exclusively) and claim to have had a change in sexual orientation.  No one&#039;s gonna buy it.  Except maybe Exodus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you don&#8217;t like the words, doesn&#8217;t mean that they don&#8217;t have a validity and a meaning to practically everyone else in describing the experience of folks who are not heterosexual.  I prefer the term &#8220;gay&#8221;.  My brother is straight.  My Mom and Dad were straight.  You are free to call it anything you please.  </p>
<p>You want to minimize the centrality of attraction &#8212; making it more about identity, behavior and community affiliation.  That fits you and your &#8220;gay sex is sin&#8221; agenda.  That way, you can still be homosexual (exclusively) in attraction and still masturbate to gay fantasies (exclusively) and claim to have had a change in sexual orientation.  No one&#8217;s gonna buy it.  Except maybe Exodus.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ignore my previous comments anyway you like to, Michael, when previously gay-identified people have found satisfying sexual relationships with the opposite sex, they&#039;ve reoriented even if they have occasional homosexual attractions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore my previous comments anyway you like to, Michael, when previously gay-identified people have found satisfying sexual relationships with the opposite sex, they&#8217;ve reoriented even if they have occasional homosexual attractions.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Slice it anyway you like it, Eddy.  If you are ONLY attracted to the same sex, you are not straight.  It doesn&#039;t take a scientist to figure that one out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slice it anyway you like it, Eddy.  If you are ONLY attracted to the same sex, you are not straight.  It doesn&#8217;t take a scientist to figure that one out.</p>
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