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		By: College Jay		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phelim, no one is saying that same-sex attracted people should just &quot;ignore&quot; their homosexual feelings in a marriage.  Again, you are being very black and white.  Are you saying that the only way to effectively deal with same-sex attraction from a conservative Christian point of view is to go the &quot;change&quot; route?



Also, I agree with Warren and Eddy.  Your tone is getting out of hand and, to be frank, it probably hurts your arguments more than anything else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phelim, no one is saying that same-sex attracted people should just &#8220;ignore&#8221; their homosexual feelings in a marriage.  Again, you are being very black and white.  Are you saying that the only way to effectively deal with same-sex attraction from a conservative Christian point of view is to go the &#8220;change&#8221; route?</p>
<p>Also, I agree with Warren and Eddy.  Your tone is getting out of hand and, to be frank, it probably hurts your arguments more than anything else.</p>
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		By: William		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a matter of fact, Phelim, I &lt;em&gt;do &lt;/em&gt; live in the UK, although nowhere near you: I live up in the so-called barbarous north. What I said about the gay to straight conversion rate in Jeremy Marks’s ministry was, of course, my own paraphrase. His actual words, as reported (at the time when Courage UK changed direction) in both &lt;em&gt;The Pink Paper &lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/em&gt;, were: “None of the people we’ve counselled have converted no matter how much effort and prayer they’ve put into it.”



I’ll be frank with you. I regard the homophobic environment in which I grew up as abusive. (Some might like to describe it by a “nicer” sounding word than homophobic, but I adhere to that statement no matter what word they prefer to use.) I can’t actually blame those responsible for it: the abuse was passive rather than active – that’s “just the way things were” then – and those who inflicted it didn’t realise what they were doing, still less to whom they were doing it, but it was still abuse. Fortunately, if there were any ex-gay ministries in the UK at that time, they had such a low profile that I was unaware of them – a piece of ignorance for which I cannot express my gratitude with any approach to adequacy; I certainly didn’t need that form of spiritual abuse piled on top of everything else. 



But I think that I had things easy compared to some people; I have to confess that I still occasionally find myself shedding tears when I hear some of my gay friends describing to me how their teenage years and early twenties were likewise stolen from them as a result of the homophobic ethos which was prevalent even until comparatively recently, and which led to years of psychological pain and self-destructive behaviour. I just thank God that all the ones whom I know have got through it in one piece and have achieved healthy self-acceptance.



Homophobic abuse during one’s youth is not unlike sexual abuse in childhood: like the latter, it is liable to have extremely damaging effects on the lives of those who are subjected to it, causing psychological injuries from which it can sometimes take many years to recover. There is fortunately, however, an effective balm which can heal the deep wounds caused by such abuse, as well as being thoroughly good and beautiful in itself – a loving gay relationship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of fact, Phelim, I <em>do </em> live in the UK, although nowhere near you: I live up in the so-called barbarous north. What I said about the gay to straight conversion rate in Jeremy Marks’s ministry was, of course, my own paraphrase. His actual words, as reported (at the time when Courage UK changed direction) in both <em>The Pink Paper </em> and <em>Christianity Today</em>, were: “None of the people we’ve counselled have converted no matter how much effort and prayer they’ve put into it.”</p>
<p>I’ll be frank with you. I regard the homophobic environment in which I grew up as abusive. (Some might like to describe it by a “nicer” sounding word than homophobic, but I adhere to that statement no matter what word they prefer to use.) I can’t actually blame those responsible for it: the abuse was passive rather than active – that’s “just the way things were” then – and those who inflicted it didn’t realise what they were doing, still less to whom they were doing it, but it was still abuse. Fortunately, if there were any ex-gay ministries in the UK at that time, they had such a low profile that I was unaware of them – a piece of ignorance for which I cannot express my gratitude with any approach to adequacy; I certainly didn’t need that form of spiritual abuse piled on top of everything else. </p>
<p>But I think that I had things easy compared to some people; I have to confess that I still occasionally find myself shedding tears when I hear some of my gay friends describing to me how their teenage years and early twenties were likewise stolen from them as a result of the homophobic ethos which was prevalent even until comparatively recently, and which led to years of psychological pain and self-destructive behaviour. I just thank God that all the ones whom I know have got through it in one piece and have achieved healthy self-acceptance.</p>
<p>Homophobic abuse during one’s youth is not unlike sexual abuse in childhood: like the latter, it is liable to have extremely damaging effects on the lives of those who are subjected to it, causing psychological injuries from which it can sometimes take many years to recover. There is fortunately, however, an effective balm which can heal the deep wounds caused by such abuse, as well as being thoroughly good and beautiful in itself – a loving gay relationship.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More on Dr. Buxton and her work:



http://www.abhow.com/about/news_aboutus?search_string=amity&#038;categories=&#038;search=Go&#038;id=64161]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on Dr. Buxton and her work:</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phelim - Your style is offensive. I am asking you to comment without criticizing character or assuming the motives of others if you want to continue. 



I gave you honest answers. 



Regarding Miller, yes I know more than what I read in the Independent. I am not able to go into how I know but I do. That is vague I know, and I doubt you will believe it but I am not speaking out of school. Because of the situation, I have to be vague. Even so, I never said he was egotistical or a heretic or attacked his honesty or his character. You on the other hand have done so. Again, if you really want to discuss matters in a civil manner, then you may continue posting, if not, then I will not allow it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phelim &#8211; Your style is offensive. I am asking you to comment without criticizing character or assuming the motives of others if you want to continue. </p>
<p>I gave you honest answers. </p>
<p>Regarding Miller, yes I know more than what I read in the Independent. I am not able to go into how I know but I do. That is vague I know, and I doubt you will believe it but I am not speaking out of school. Because of the situation, I have to be vague. Even so, I never said he was egotistical or a heretic or attacked his honesty or his character. You on the other hand have done so. Again, if you really want to discuss matters in a civil manner, then you may continue posting, if not, then I will not allow it.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had an opportunity last weekend to meet this remarkable woman and to hear her experience as the wife of a gay man.   She has written a book about it.



 &quot;This valuable source of information for spouses, families, and professionals is based on Dr. Buxton&#039;s eight years of research, including interviews with 1,000 straight spouses and children, her own personal experience, and her counseling work with spouses of gay, lesbian and bisexual partners.&quot;



http://www.straightspouse.org/theother.php]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an opportunity last weekend to meet this remarkable woman and to hear her experience as the wife of a gay man.   She has written a book about it.</p>
<p> &#8220;This valuable source of information for spouses, families, and professionals is based on Dr. Buxton&#8217;s eight years of research, including interviews with 1,000 straight spouses and children, her own personal experience, and her counseling work with spouses of gay, lesbian and bisexual partners.&#8221;</p>
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