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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/02/05/uganda-criminalization-debate-comes-to-the-usa/#comment-37218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[First step: remove &lt;strong&gt;existing&lt;/strong&gt; protections from children.



House Representatives Jason Schultz, R-Schleswig and Matt Windschitl, R-Missouri Valley, co-sponsored legislation introduced today which seeks to exclude LGBT students from the 2007 Iowa Safe Schools Law.



House File 2291 - Introduced

                             HOUSE FILE      

                                BY  SCHULTZ and WINDSCHITL



                                     A BILL FOR



 1 An Act relating to protected traits or characteristics of

 2    students under public and nonpublic school harassment and

 3    bullying prohibitions and policies.

 4 BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF IOWA:

   TLSB 6059YH (4) 83

   kh/rj



PAG LIN



 1  1    Section 1.  Section 280.28, subsection 2, paragraph c, Code

 1  2 2009, is amended to read as follows:

 1  3    c.  &quot;Trait or characteristic of the student&quot; includes but

 1  4 is not limited to age, color, creed, national origin, race,

 1  5 religion, marital status, sex, sexual orientation, gender

 1  6 identity, physical attributes, physical or mental ability or

 1  7 disability, ancestry, political party preference, political

 1  8 belief, socioeconomic status, or familial status.

 1  9                           EXPLANATION

 1 10    This bill strikes sexual orientation and gender identity

 1 11 from the definition of the term &quot;trait or characteristic of the

 1 12 student&quot; used for purposes of protecting students in public and

 1 13 nonpublic schools from harassment and bullying.

      LSB 6059YH (4) 83

      kh/rj



Yes, the explicit purpose is de-crimininalise the harassment and bullying of GLBT kids .



Warren, these laws are being introduced right now in state legislatures. It is now considered acceptable for politicians of the right to attempt to do this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First step: remove <strong>existing</strong> protections from children.</p>
<p>House Representatives Jason Schultz, R-Schleswig and Matt Windschitl, R-Missouri Valley, co-sponsored legislation introduced today which seeks to exclude LGBT students from the 2007 Iowa Safe Schools Law.</p>
<p>House File 2291 &#8211; Introduced</p>
<p>                             HOUSE FILE      </p>
<p>                                BY  SCHULTZ and WINDSCHITL</p>
<p>                                     A BILL FOR</p>
<p> 1 An Act relating to protected traits or characteristics of</p>
<p> 2    students under public and nonpublic school harassment and</p>
<p> 3    bullying prohibitions and policies.</p>
<p> 4 BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF IOWA:</p>
<p>   TLSB 6059YH (4) 83</p>
<p>   kh/rj</p>
<p>PAG LIN</p>
<p> 1  1    Section 1.  Section 280.28, subsection 2, paragraph c, Code</p>
<p> 1  2 2009, is amended to read as follows:</p>
<p> 1  3    c.  &#8220;Trait or characteristic of the student&#8221; includes but</p>
<p> 1  4 is not limited to age, color, creed, national origin, race,</p>
<p> 1  5 religion, marital status, sex, sexual orientation, gender</p>
<p> 1  6 identity, physical attributes, physical or mental ability or</p>
<p> 1  7 disability, ancestry, political party preference, political</p>
<p> 1  8 belief, socioeconomic status, or familial status.</p>
<p> 1  9                           EXPLANATION</p>
<p> 1 10    This bill strikes sexual orientation and gender identity</p>
<p> 1 11 from the definition of the term &#8220;trait or characteristic of the</p>
<p> 1 12 student&#8221; used for purposes of protecting students in public and</p>
<p> 1 13 nonpublic schools from harassment and bullying.</p>
<p>      LSB 6059YH (4) 83</p>
<p>      kh/rj</p>
<p>Yes, the explicit purpose is de-crimininalise the harassment and bullying of GLBT kids .</p>
<p>Warren, these laws are being introduced right now in state legislatures. It is now considered acceptable for politicians of the right to attempt to do this.</p>
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		By: David Blakeselee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/02/05/uganda-criminalization-debate-comes-to-the-usa/#comment-37217</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeselee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So this is the rationale...



To me this is the smoking gun behind the Uganda Anti-Gay legislation...and all the &quot;liberals&quot; should be able to easily find and document this quasi theology/legal theory within fundamentalist Christian belief.



A belief that moral codes imposed in civil and criminal law will make for a better society.



You can argue that point, but where do you start the list of proscribed behaviors and where do you stop the list?



Rape is moral and criminal



Lying is moral and can be criminal or civil.



Loving your neighbor as your self is moral...



Thanks Warren...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is the rationale&#8230;</p>
<p>To me this is the smoking gun behind the Uganda Anti-Gay legislation&#8230;and all the &#8220;liberals&#8221; should be able to easily find and document this quasi theology/legal theory within fundamentalist Christian belief.</p>
<p>A belief that moral codes imposed in civil and criminal law will make for a better society.</p>
<p>You can argue that point, but where do you start the list of proscribed behaviors and where do you stop the list?</p>
<p>Rape is moral and criminal</p>
<p>Lying is moral and can be criminal or civil.</p>
<p>Loving your neighbor as your self is moral&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks Warren&#8230;</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/02/05/uganda-criminalization-debate-comes-to-the-usa/#comment-37216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Inexplicably,&lt;/strong&gt; Tuhaise continues to say conservative opponents here have made critical statements of the bill without checking it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh it&#039;s explicable all right. He&#039;s lying. They&#039;re doing God&#039;s work, so the usual moral strictures don&#039;t apply.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Inexplicably,</strong> Tuhaise continues to say conservative opponents here have made critical statements of the bill without checking it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh it&#8217;s explicable all right. He&#8217;s lying. They&#8217;re doing God&#8217;s work, so the usual moral strictures don&#8217;t apply.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/02/05/uganda-criminalization-debate-comes-to-the-usa/#comment-37215</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It just struck me, democracy is not easy.   Some would think that it is and look towards easy ways toward their ends.  I think this is represented in Bahati&#039;s bill.  He seeks shortcuts with this bill towards disenfranchising and muffling gays and lesbians.   That is a constitutional issue not one which may be legislated into being.   I should hope that members of the Family would explain that reality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just struck me, democracy is not easy.   Some would think that it is and look towards easy ways toward their ends.  I think this is represented in Bahati&#8217;s bill.  He seeks shortcuts with this bill towards disenfranchising and muffling gays and lesbians.   That is a constitutional issue not one which may be legislated into being.   I should hope that members of the Family would explain that reality.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2010/02/05/uganda-criminalization-debate-comes-to-the-usa/#comment-37214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Laws exist in Mr. Fischer’s view to enforce a moral view on the rest of society. Even if the law is a sham, it acts like moral code imposed by the state.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, this was exactly the point Scott Lively was making.  Outlaw sodomy or homosexuality and then there is all sorts of &quot;&lt;em&gt;just discrimination&lt;/em&gt;&quot; that can be allowed in housing, jobs, etc.... which sounds a lot like the Catholic Church&#039;s point of vew as expressed in their catechism - &lt;em&gt;every sign of unjust discrimination&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Laws exist in Mr. Fischer’s view to enforce a moral view on the rest of society. Even if the law is a sham, it acts like moral code imposed by the state.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, this was exactly the point Scott Lively was making.  Outlaw sodomy or homosexuality and then there is all sorts of &#8220;<em>just discrimination</em>&#8221; that can be allowed in housing, jobs, etc&#8230;. which sounds a lot like the Catholic Church&#8217;s point of vew as expressed in their catechism &#8211; <em>every sign of unjust discrimination</em>.</p>
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