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	Comments on: Canyon Ridge Christian Church issues statement on support for Martin Ssempa	</title>
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		By: richard ralston		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richard ralston]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find it Apalling as a ordained minister that any enlightened christian church could possibly react this way. My lord and Saviour Loves ALL his children equally without condition. even misguided sanctimonious ones,full of hypocrisy and shortsighted loathing. For He is as ready to love and forgive misguided churches as anyone else. rom14:22 Do you have faith?Have it to yourself before God.Happy is He who does not condemn himself in what he approves.23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats because he does not eat from faith, for whatever is not from faith is sin.  Remember whoever and however you are you are fearfully and wonderfully made. be blessed my brothers and sisters In His Holy name!  Be Blessed Brother Richard R]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it Apalling as a ordained minister that any enlightened christian church could possibly react this way. My lord and Saviour Loves ALL his children equally without condition. even misguided sanctimonious ones,full of hypocrisy and shortsighted loathing. For He is as ready to love and forgive misguided churches as anyone else. rom14:22 Do you have faith?Have it to yourself before God.Happy is He who does not condemn himself in what he approves.23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats because he does not eat from faith, for whatever is not from faith is sin.  Remember whoever and however you are you are fearfully and wonderfully made. be blessed my brothers and sisters In His Holy name!  Be Blessed Brother Richard R</p>
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		By: Timothy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you need jesus you man]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you need jesus you man</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 06:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Shall we now have a debate as to whether christianity should be punished by 14 years in jail as it is now, or whether imposing the death penalty is a bit extreme, but boosting the penalty to life imprisonment is acceptable?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I don&#039;t think so. It&#039;s not specifically tied to this topic or to anything anyone seemed to be talking about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Shall we now have a debate as to whether christianity should be punished by 14 years in jail as it is now, or whether imposing the death penalty is a bit extreme, but boosting the penalty to life imprisonment is acceptable?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so. It&#8217;s not specifically tied to this topic or to anything anyone seemed to be talking about.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shall we now have a debate as to whether christianity should be punished by 14 years in jail as it is now, or whether imposing the death penalty is a bit extreme, but boosting the penalty to life imprisonment is acceptable? 



Because that&#039;s what I hear now are the gay positions here. 



Personally, I&#039;m very much against punishing christianity by law at all, it should not be illegal, and don&#039;t think the Gay and Lesbian Alliance or Human Rights Campaign go nearly far enough in condemning this proposed new law. As for those Gay groups that support the extermination of christians, we should ALL speak out vociferously to condemn them.



OK, their ritual cannibalism and propensity for killing &quot;sinners&quot; are obvious social evils, but those are already punished by existing law. 



No wonder some christians are angry at GLBs for us treating them this way.







Oops, sorry, got my semantic symbols mixed up. Still, it illustrates why gays as a whole tend not to be very impressed by institutionalised conservative christianity. It&#039;s so.... un-Christian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shall we now have a debate as to whether christianity should be punished by 14 years in jail as it is now, or whether imposing the death penalty is a bit extreme, but boosting the penalty to life imprisonment is acceptable? </p>
<p>Because that&#8217;s what I hear now are the gay positions here. </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m very much against punishing christianity by law at all, it should not be illegal, and don&#8217;t think the Gay and Lesbian Alliance or Human Rights Campaign go nearly far enough in condemning this proposed new law. As for those Gay groups that support the extermination of christians, we should ALL speak out vociferously to condemn them.</p>
<p>OK, their ritual cannibalism and propensity for killing &#8220;sinners&#8221; are obvious social evils, but those are already punished by existing law. </p>
<p>No wonder some christians are angry at GLBs for us treating them this way.</p>
<p>Oops, sorry, got my semantic symbols mixed up. Still, it illustrates why gays as a whole tend not to be very impressed by institutionalised conservative christianity. It&#8217;s so&#8230;. un-Christian.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And, David, as I have said many times, I have no doubt that there are such people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, David, as I have said many times, I have no doubt that there are such people.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Michael,



&lt;blockquote&gt;David, I never said that ex-gays were “neurotic” or “tomented”. I do not “demonize” them. I never said that they were not generous, gifted or compassionate. I never said they were “inauthentic”. I know better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I was not trying to imply that you had made that assertion....



I was trying to tell a story about a happy (not Gay :) ) man that I know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael,</p>
<blockquote><p>David, I never said that ex-gays were “neurotic” or “tomented”. I do not “demonize” them. I never said that they were not generous, gifted or compassionate. I never said they were “inauthentic”. I know better.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was not trying to imply that you had made that assertion&#8230;.</p>
<p>I was trying to tell a story about a happy (not Gay 🙂 ) man that I know.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okey Dokey, then. Later. Bye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okey Dokey, then. Later. Bye.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christians who won&#039;t stand up for conscience are cowards and Gays have good reason to be mad at them.  I stand by it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians who won&#8217;t stand up for conscience are cowards and Gays have good reason to be mad at them.  I stand by it.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Remember that stuff you copied?  The stuff Throckmorton deleted?  Re-read it.  It still applies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that stuff you copied?  The stuff Throckmorton deleted?  Re-read it.  It still applies.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, you didn&#039;t say the words &#039;homophobic&#039; or &#039;bigoted&#039;. I was trying to capture whatever the labels would be that are dramatized in this piece of our dialogue. My apologies for the bad word choices. Still can&#039;t come up with the word(s) but this is what I was responding to:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Eddy ~ Feb 4, 2010 at 4:38 pm 

And let’s not forget that they simply don’t like anyone who dares to believe that it’s sin…regardless of whether the response to the sin and the sinner is compassionate, loving and caring. Much like a child who’s momma says “NO” and the child screams “I hate you!”



Michael Bussee ~ Feb 4, 2010 at 4:58 pm 

Yeah, people tend to get touchy when you tell them that. Or that they are broken. Or diseased. Or defective. Or disordered. Or that their parents were defective. Or that they could really become straight if they wanted to. Or that they don’t have enough faith if they don’t change. Or that they might have to remain celibate all their lives or just masturbate to gay images privately at home. Or that their sexuality is sin worthy of death. Or that they are going to Hell if they don’t stop. 



No matter how “lovingly” you say it –those messsages can make people angry. Not surprising. They don’t tend to get those messages from the liberal or affirming Christians. So it might be something the conservatives are doing after all that makes them dislike the conservatives — and not just the brainwashing of gay activists. The liberal and affirming churches don’t tell them these things.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you didn&#8217;t say the words &#8216;homophobic&#8217; or &#8216;bigoted&#8217;. I was trying to capture whatever the labels would be that are dramatized in this piece of our dialogue. My apologies for the bad word choices. Still can&#8217;t come up with the word(s) but this is what I was responding to:</p>
<blockquote><p>Eddy ~ Feb 4, 2010 at 4:38 pm </p>
<p>And let’s not forget that they simply don’t like anyone who dares to believe that it’s sin…regardless of whether the response to the sin and the sinner is compassionate, loving and caring. Much like a child who’s momma says “NO” and the child screams “I hate you!”</p>
<p>Michael Bussee ~ Feb 4, 2010 at 4:58 pm </p>
<p>Yeah, people tend to get touchy when you tell them that. Or that they are broken. Or diseased. Or defective. Or disordered. Or that their parents were defective. Or that they could really become straight if they wanted to. Or that they don’t have enough faith if they don’t change. Or that they might have to remain celibate all their lives or just masturbate to gay images privately at home. Or that their sexuality is sin worthy of death. Or that they are going to Hell if they don’t stop. </p>
<p>No matter how “lovingly” you say it –those messsages can make people angry. Not surprising. They don’t tend to get those messages from the liberal or affirming Christians. So it might be something the conservatives are doing after all that makes them dislike the conservatives — and not just the brainwashing of gay activists. The liberal and affirming churches don’t tell them these things.</p></blockquote>
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