Where do you get your statistics that show 10% of the world’s population are sodomites?

How has your theory of theonomy worked out under the Lord’s Resistance Army in Northen Uganda? Is your hero Joseph Kony? Attempting to establish a government based on the ten commandments and the Old Testament is insane and ridculous. You are bearing false witness and advocating genocide and massive hate crimes throughout the world. Do you realize that 10% of the WORLD’S population are “sodomites’? Are you Hitler? what the hell?

How are you going to pick them all out? Are you planning big ovens or gas chambers because you are going to have a LOT of bodies to deal with.

I would submit that your ideas presented here are beyond sick, twisted and evil, the absolute opposite of EVERYTHING jesus taught.

Good luck with your plan, it is NEVER going to happen. NEVER.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I still have issues though. You and your comrades (just a word not an implication) see quite clearly and without reservation that the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty for sodomy is death.

That death penalty is also the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty for adultery and fornication. Why is it then, when the religious folks brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus and reminded him what the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty was for adultery, He didn’t sentence her. What’s up with that, Diane?

Many presume that that woman repented of her sin and became one of Jesus’ closest disciples. That isn’t entirely clear from the Biblical narratives. What I find significant is that Jesus first asked her accusers to search their own hearts for sinlessness…then He forgave her…and then He admonished her to ‘go and sin no more’.

I get flak here because I don’t stop with the ‘then He forgave her’. I firmly believe that homosexual behavior, all of it, even the homosexual behavior that is ‘loving’ or ‘in a committed relationship’ is sin. I believe that those who continue in that behavior are in danger of the fires of Hell. BUT, my years in the ministry, as an ex-gay trying to reach out to gays and ex-gays, convinced me completely that Christians who didn’t ‘rightly divide the Word of Truth’ weren’t representing Christ’s love and redeeming grace appropriately. My coming to Christ would not have happened with you as an agent of His redemptive message…I’ve yet to hear a word from you that even hints at that aspect of His mission here on earth. Some would say I got saved by accident. I worked with a sincere Christian. I’d watch and sometimes overhear as he talked and prayed with others but he never once talked to me…an overtly gay person. He claims that he prayed for me even though he never spoke to me; I hope that is true. I hope that is also true for you, Diane. I hope that you are praying fervently for the souls of these people that you seem so quick and eager to judge. I realize that this is a blogsite and perhaps not all of what you feel or mean to convey is coming through. ‘God is not willing than ANY should perish’. Anytime we Christians find ourselves eagerly desiring the physical death or elimination of someone, we need to ask ourselves why we are so willing to have them gone when He isn’t willing that they should perish. I realize your talking a corporal death penalty while the Bible was speaking of a spiritual one but–logic tells me that if you convict a person of a sin (such as sodomy) and then administer the death penalty to them, that kinda cinches the deal on the spiritual death too. Yeah, I know, people do come to accept Jesus as their savior on death row. I’d be willing to wager (if I was a gambler) though that more people than not whose lives ended on a death row…they ended with BOTH…they ended with a physical AND a spiritual death.

This whole notion of criminalization disturbs me. While I agree that we can and should criminalize any number of behaviors, I’ve always had a weird caution. You see, we Christians KNOW that it ain’t ‘being good’ that’s going to get us into heaven. The Bible tells us that, as far as heaven’s concerned, our personal ‘righteousness’ stinks. So, it’s always bothered me when Christians go on these crusades to legislate morality. Let’s say you stop that homosexual individual from doing anything sexual with anybody for his or her entire lifetime because they fear the death penalty. Tell me, once their span on earth is done, will that grant them access to heaven? This may be a personal bias but I’ve long suspected that many Christians would rather criminalize than evangelize. And that’s a bit weird since I can find the command to evangelize in the Bible but not the command to criminalize.

I do worry ofttimes about the approach I’ve taken; I wonder if I’m not as forthright and direct in confronting sin as I should be. It is my hope that you will also worry sometimes. That you’ll worry that your approach is selective…that it’s elevating one sin above others–and that’s it’s not balancing the messages of redemption and judgement.

Diane, I am sorry that you live under the spell of death.

It is far easier to begin with sodomites, who are widely reviled in Uganda and here.

So we start with the ones who are easiest to pick on, kill them and then move on to the rest? Who’s going to do this mass extermination of sinners? Who is sinless enough to carry it out? That’s not genuine Christianity. Tell me where Jesus ever taught such a thing.

All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. There is NONE righteous. NO. Not ONE. That includes you, Diane. Tell me. What sin’s do you commit and how should we punish you — according to Scripture?

I am not singling out anyone or any particular sin. Everyone must come under the authority of God and all sins will be judged. However, as noted above, when implementing a new legal regime over a reprobate civil society, implementation must be done in stages. It is far easier to begin with sodomites, who are widely reviled in Uganda and here. This establishes the principle that civil law should reflect God’s law, i.e., theonomy.

With this principle established, we can move on to setting the proper punishment for sodomy (death) and also expanding the civil application of Biblical law to encompass other, more widely practiced sin, such as heterosexual fornication and adultery. With the general principle firmly established, there will be no moral or logical objection to imposing Biblical punishment on heterosexual fornicators. In other words, if real Christians do their part and if the Lord wills it, then eventually the law will catch up to your nephews. Teach them to fear the Lord before that day arrives.

On the off chance that there are one or two genuine Christians on this site who wish to educate themselves about how Biblical law can and will be integrated into civil law, I recommend Institutes of Biblical Law by Rushdoony.

If you follow my postings here, you will find that I’m far more conservative in my viewpoints than most of the posters yet I find your point of view disturbing. I realize that I may have gone over the top in my response to you earlier but please consider the reality of what this religious takeover intends to do.

Claiming a Biblical basis for their endeavors, they are attempting to establish a non-Biblical code of ethics. God did not authorize a ‘sin-meter’ whereby homosexual sin somehow was worse than heterosexual sin. As I’ve said on this site numerous times, even our ‘righteousness is as filthy rags’…even ‘lying lips are an abomination’. For any person or organization or collaboration of people to try to lay ‘God’s precepts’ over the land…it will always be tainted. It will always be infected by the bias of a person who says ‘whew, that ain’t my sin’ using the Bible to rail against one sin while ignoring or excusing another.

In my ‘over the top’ example to you earlier, I specified heterosexual sin. The sins of my nephews, of my neighbors. Any statistician can tell you there’s a lot more of that going on than homosexuality. Kinsey’s 1 in 10 statistics (however flawed they might be) will also back up that quantitatively there’s more heterosexual sin going on on this planet than homosexual. The simple fact that homosexual sin has hit their radar before or even instead of these other sins, demonstrates that there’s a ‘sin meter’ mentality at work. I reaffirm that my God, the God of the Bible, does NOT endorse that sin-meter mentality.

Go to the Old Testament and you’ll find that the word ‘abomination’ was used in connection with a number of sins including ‘lying lips’. (How common is that?!) In the New Testament, particularly in 1 Corinthians 6, homosexuality is neither at the top of the list as ‘the biggee’ or at the bottom of the list as ‘the unmentionable’. Please consider this as you pursue your crusade. I invite you to use 1 Corinthians 6 as your guide. Please do not begin your crusade in the middle of the list. If your crusade is just and worthy and in accordance with God’s will, please work through that list and incorporate the other sins that are mentioned in your campaign.

If you pick one sin out above the others, you may be reflecting part of God’s heart and intent, but you won’t be reflecting God’s heart as you aspire to do.