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	Comments on: Video: Rachel Maddow Show covers the Fellowship Foundation&#8217;s opposition to Uganda&#8217;s Anti-Homosexuality Bill	</title>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Warren



&lt;blockquote&gt;Hard left people criticize people on the right for not doing something and then when the targetted right leaning group does the thing demanded, the left continues to smash the targetted group.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



It is a pervasive pattern in some intense bloggers...



It draws attention to the question, &quot;If some bloggers repeat and intensify their corrupt narrative, sprinkled with bile, regardless of the efforts of their target, how meaningful is all of this?&quot;



As such bloggers and posters craft their perceptions and accusations into persistent weapons, how useful is it to enter into thoughtful dialogue?



In the end, if we are not careful, we are just chasing the approval of a bitter person...and a manipulative purpose that seeks, perhaps, to exhaust us with repeated accusations to disprove...



And, that is at the hub of this discussion, Exodus never endorsed this trip. Rick Warren never advocated for this legislation.  &quot;The Family&quot; was not engaged in some nefarious plot to &quot;Kill the Gays.&quot;



These are now facts...



The bitterness (and completely justifiable terror) shaped the focus of the accusations, and the most damning of the accusations were completely wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Warren</p>
<blockquote><p>Hard left people criticize people on the right for not doing something and then when the targetted right leaning group does the thing demanded, the left continues to smash the targetted group.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is a pervasive pattern in some intense bloggers&#8230;</p>
<p>It draws attention to the question, &#8220;If some bloggers repeat and intensify their corrupt narrative, sprinkled with bile, regardless of the efforts of their target, how meaningful is all of this?&#8221;</p>
<p>As such bloggers and posters craft their perceptions and accusations into persistent weapons, how useful is it to enter into thoughtful dialogue?</p>
<p>In the end, if we are not careful, we are just chasing the approval of a bitter person&#8230;and a manipulative purpose that seeks, perhaps, to exhaust us with repeated accusations to disprove&#8230;</p>
<p>And, that is at the hub of this discussion, Exodus never endorsed this trip. Rick Warren never advocated for this legislation.  &#8220;The Family&#8221; was not engaged in some nefarious plot to &#8220;Kill the Gays.&#8221;</p>
<p>These are now facts&#8230;</p>
<p>The bitterness (and completely justifiable terror) shaped the focus of the accusations, and the most damning of the accusations were completely wrong.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/17/video-rachel-maddow-show-covers-the-fellowship-foundations-opposition-to-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-36124&quot;&gt;Leo Walla&lt;/a&gt;.

Leo Walla said: 



&lt;blockquote&gt;I know that you won&#039;t publish this anyway because you only publish writings of sycophants, but listen.... this statement of the &quot;Family&quot;  like the one of Rick warren are lies. They only say these things because they got caught. Had there been no publicitty Warren, Family and every single Christian leader, including Exodus and their spokeshater Randy Thomas would happily let gays die. Given the chance they would probably have assisted in executions.

the results of the politics of Christians are about to come visible. They can&#039;t kill gays in USA (yet) nut they can always support their killings and torture in Africa and Asia.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Leo,  nice use of vocab (sycophant) but it all went downhill from there. I ordinarily don&#039;t let libel be posted but did so in this case to illustrate an extreme that I have run into during the advocacy on Uganda. Hard left people criticize people on the right for not doing something and then when the targetted right leaning group does the thing demanded, the left continues to smash the targetted group. In fact, the good actions become more evidence for the real nefarious intent. Now that Exodus and Rick Warren have condemned the Ugandan bill, Leo is even more sure that they really want to dispatch with gay lives. 



If Richard Cohen was here, he would want to give Leo a hug.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/17/video-rachel-maddow-show-covers-the-fellowship-foundations-opposition-to-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-36124">Leo Walla</a>.</p>
<p>Leo Walla said: </p>
<blockquote><p>I know that you won&#8217;t publish this anyway because you only publish writings of sycophants, but listen&#8230;. this statement of the &#8220;Family&#8221;  like the one of Rick warren are lies. They only say these things because they got caught. Had there been no publicitty Warren, Family and every single Christian leader, including Exodus and their spokeshater Randy Thomas would happily let gays die. Given the chance they would probably have assisted in executions.</p>
<p>the results of the politics of Christians are about to come visible. They can&#8217;t kill gays in USA (yet) nut they can always support their killings and torture in Africa and Asia.</p></blockquote>
<p>Leo,  nice use of vocab (sycophant) but it all went downhill from there. I ordinarily don&#8217;t let libel be posted but did so in this case to illustrate an extreme that I have run into during the advocacy on Uganda. Hard left people criticize people on the right for not doing something and then when the targetted right leaning group does the thing demanded, the left continues to smash the targetted group. In fact, the good actions become more evidence for the real nefarious intent. Now that Exodus and Rick Warren have condemned the Ugandan bill, Leo is even more sure that they really want to dispatch with gay lives. </p>
<p>If Richard Cohen was here, he would want to give Leo a hug.</p>
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		By: Leo Walla		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know that you won&#039;t publish this anyway because you only publish writings of sycophants, but listen.... this statement of the &quot;Family&quot;  like the one of Rick warren are lies. They only say these things because they got caught. Had there been no publicitty Warren, Family and every single Christian leader, including Exodus and their spokeshater Randy Thomas would happily let gays die. Given the chance they would probably have assisted in executions.

the results of the politics of Christians are about to come visible. They can&#039;t kill gays in USA (yet) nut they can always support their killings and torture in Africa and Asia.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that you won&#8217;t publish this anyway because you only publish writings of sycophants, but listen&#8230;. this statement of the &#8220;Family&#8221;  like the one of Rick warren are lies. They only say these things because they got caught. Had there been no publicitty Warren, Family and every single Christian leader, including Exodus and their spokeshater Randy Thomas would happily let gays die. Given the chance they would probably have assisted in executions.</p>
<p>the results of the politics of Christians are about to come visible. They can&#8217;t kill gays in USA (yet) nut they can always support their killings and torture in Africa and Asia.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gives me the heebie-jeebies too.  Name change is in order.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gives me the heebie-jeebies too.  Name change is in order.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t know but the name &quot;The Family&quot;  sounds creepy to me, too.   



Glad to RMS get this bit of news.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know but the name &#8220;The Family&#8221;  sounds creepy to me, too.   </p>
<p>Glad to RMS get this bit of news.</p>
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