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		By: Kate Zeiss		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/02/extreme-prophetic-declines-to-oppose-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-35772</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Zeiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Check these out:



Langa&#039;s associations:



http://www.disciplenations.org/dna-news/stay-connect-with-the-dna/model-church-profile-watoto-church-kampala-uganda





http://samaritan-strategy-africa.org/profile/strategies.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check these out:</p>
<p>Langa&#8217;s associations:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.disciplenations.org/dna-news/stay-connect-with-the-dna/model-church-profile-watoto-church-kampala-uganda" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.disciplenations.org/dna-news/stay-connect-with-the-dna/model-church-profile-watoto-church-kampala-uganda</a></p>
<p><a href="http://samaritan-strategy-africa.org/profile/strategies.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://samaritan-strategy-africa.org/profile/strategies.html</a></p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;What is true, however, and worth all the news media coverage possible, is the tragic nature of and heartbreaking potential this bill holds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;All the news media coverage possible.&lt;/strong&gt;  I agree.  All of these recent statements from Exodus have been steps in the right direction -- to make their position clear and to correct what Warren has referred to as &quot;errors made early on&quot;.  



I believe these statements will have a &lt;em&gt;very postive&lt;/em&gt; impact  -- and might even encourage &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;other &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Christian groups to speak out, something that is sorely needed right now.



Exodus has said it &quot;will not stop at the letter&quot;.  Here is an excellent opportunity.  Why not do even more?  Something with even &lt;em&gt;wider&lt;/em&gt; coverage?  Something that StephenLanga and other supporters of the bill could not dismiss as the work of &quot;gay activists&quot;?



How about a Youtube piece or a filmed press conference -- with the entire Exodus board &quot;on board&quot; -- denouncing this bill and announcing a &lt;em&gt;new&lt;/em&gt; Exodus Policy about the &quot;tragic nature of and heartbreaking potential&quot; of such anit-homosexuality laws?  I am sure  it would very covered by the media -- and might make a difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is true, however, and worth all the news media coverage possible, is the tragic nature of and heartbreaking potential this bill holds.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>All the news media coverage possible.</strong>  I agree.  All of these recent statements from Exodus have been steps in the right direction &#8212; to make their position clear and to correct what Warren has referred to as &#8220;errors made early on&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I believe these statements will have a <em>very postive</em> impact  &#8212; and might even encourage <strong><em>other </em></strong>Christian groups to speak out, something that is sorely needed right now.</p>
<p>Exodus has said it &#8220;will not stop at the letter&#8221;.  Here is an excellent opportunity.  Why not do even more?  Something with even <em>wider</em> coverage?  Something that StephenLanga and other supporters of the bill could not dismiss as the work of &#8220;gay activists&#8221;?</p>
<p>How about a Youtube piece or a filmed press conference &#8212; with the entire Exodus board &#8220;on board&#8221; &#8212; denouncing this bill and announcing a <em>new</em> Exodus Policy about the &#8220;tragic nature of and heartbreaking potential&#8221; of such anit-homosexuality laws?  I am sure  it would very covered by the media &#8212; and might make a difference.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don Schmierer speaks out against the Bill:



http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/03/rachel-maddow-uganda-me-guest-post-by-don-schmierer/



&lt;blockquote&gt;This international experience, however, turned out to be a bit different. For starters, I didn’t know much about the conference when I agreed to speak there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That seems painfully apparent at this point.  Boy Scout Motto:  &quot;Be Prepared&quot;.  Conderences speakers ought to learn as much as possible beforehand and listen to the advice of others -- like Dr. Throckmorton -- who also signed the letter.  Otherwise, their participation might used in ways they did not intend.



&lt;blockquote&gt;What is true, however, and worth all the news media coverage possible, is the tragic nature of and heartbreaking potential this bill holds. I remember the gay bishop I spoke with and am deeply concerned that if this legislation were to go into effect, he would be in danger. I am grieved that the church and social workers I met may now be faced with the gut-wrenching decision of whether or not to turn in a gay friend or loved one. It should not be so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It is a very good thing that Mr. Schmierer is finally speaking out.  More caution next time -- especially if the country already criminalizes homosexuality and you are part of an organization that does not have a clearly stated, official policy against such laws. 



Three Exodus board members have now voiced their opposition to this Bill and to the criminalization of homsexuality.  The logical next step is to draft and post (yes, on the website) the Official Policy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Schmierer speaks out against the Bill:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/03/rachel-maddow-uganda-me-guest-post-by-don-schmierer/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/03/rachel-maddow-uganda-me-guest-post-by-don-schmierer/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>This international experience, however, turned out to be a bit different. For starters, I didn’t know much about the conference when I agreed to speak there.</p></blockquote>
<p>That seems painfully apparent at this point.  Boy Scout Motto:  &#8220;Be Prepared&#8221;.  Conderences speakers ought to learn as much as possible beforehand and listen to the advice of others &#8212; like Dr. Throckmorton &#8212; who also signed the letter.  Otherwise, their participation might used in ways they did not intend.</p>
<blockquote><p>What is true, however, and worth all the news media coverage possible, is the tragic nature of and heartbreaking potential this bill holds. I remember the gay bishop I spoke with and am deeply concerned that if this legislation were to go into effect, he would be in danger. I am grieved that the church and social workers I met may now be faced with the gut-wrenching decision of whether or not to turn in a gay friend or loved one. It should not be so.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is a very good thing that Mr. Schmierer is finally speaking out.  More caution next time &#8212; especially if the country already criminalizes homosexuality and you are part of an organization that does not have a clearly stated, official policy against such laws. </p>
<p>Three Exodus board members have now voiced their opposition to this Bill and to the criminalization of homsexuality.  The logical next step is to draft and post (yes, on the website) the Official Policy.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From BTBulletin:  &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Alan Chambers told the American publication The Christian Post that Exodus doesn’t support Uganda’s policy of criminalizing homosexuality. He added that “neither Schmierer nor the ministry agrees or endorses Uganda’s criminalization of homosexuality law, imprisonment of homosexuals or compulsory therapy.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;Since Mr. Chambers has already stated that this is Exodus&#039;s stand, I believe it would be &lt;em&gt;very wise&lt;/em&gt; at this point for Exodus -- and the other organizations whose representatives spoke at the Uganda Conference -- to issue a strongly-worded, &lt;em&gt;joint&lt;/em&gt; statment that they oppose the criminilization of homosexuality.  



It ought to become the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Official Policy &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;of all three organizations --  and all three men should sign it -- with a sincere apology for their ill-advised involvement in the conference  -- and for giving &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; impression that they did support the criminalization of homosexuality.



http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/16/15627]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From BTBulletin:  </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Alan Chambers told the American publication The Christian Post that Exodus doesn’t support Uganda’s policy of criminalizing homosexuality. He added that “neither Schmierer nor the ministry agrees or endorses Uganda’s criminalization of homosexuality law, imprisonment of homosexuals or compulsory therapy.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Since Mr. Chambers has already stated that this is Exodus&#8217;s stand, I believe it would be <em>very wise</em> at this point for Exodus &#8212; and the other organizations whose representatives spoke at the Uganda Conference &#8212; to issue a strongly-worded, <em>joint</em> statment that they oppose the criminilization of homosexuality.  </p>
<p>It ought to become the <strong><em>Official Policy </em></strong>of all three organizations &#8212;  and all three men should sign it &#8212; with a sincere apology for their ill-advised involvement in the conference  &#8212; and for giving <em>any</em> impression that they did support the criminalization of homosexuality.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/16/15627" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/16/15627</a></p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Her anti-ex-gay bias is very obvious&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Yes it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Her anti-ex-gay bias is very obvious</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes it is.</p>
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		By: Leonardo Ricardo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonardo Ricardo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a ministry we do not have an official opinion on political policies.



Lies (how about Gay Marriage/Civil Unions/Adoption?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a ministry we do not have an official opinion on political policies.</p>
<p>Lies (how about Gay Marriage/Civil Unions/Adoption?)</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was not clear from viewing this video whether or not Mr Brundridge &lt;em&gt;himself &lt;/em&gt;voiced opposition to the bill -- or if the statement was issued by someone else at International Healing Foundation on &lt;em&gt;behalf&lt;/em&gt; of IHF.   



According to her commentary, IHF didn&#039;t know the Bill even &lt;em&gt;existed&lt;/em&gt; until after her staff emailed them a copy.  Could they be that out of touch?  I suppose it is &lt;em&gt;possible...&lt;/em&gt;



And, Don was apparently somewhat unaware of the Exodus letter until a couple of days or so ago   -- but agreed to sign it once he saw it.   Why wasn&#039;t he included in the drafting of it?  Or was he?  Apparently, he had been traveling for several weeks and was not fully aware of the Exodus letter being discussed, drafted, signed and mailed to the President of Uganda.   



Considering the international outcry, It seems odd that he would not have been more &lt;em&gt;in&lt;/em&gt; touch --- even when traveling -- especially with the wide use and availability of email, cell-phones, etc.  



I am not saying he couldn&#039;t have been that disconnected from what Exodus was doing in the aftermath of his trip, it just seems odd that he would be -- especially now.  



How does the Exodus Board keep each other informed and in the loop -- especially in urgent matters such as these?  30 years ago, Exodus Board members did not have cell phones or high-speed internet.  It took some time for letters and proposals to go back and forth by mail.  Keeping each other aware and informed should be much easier now.



I guess what I am saying is that it seems like a lot of unawareness going on.  Could this be reflective of the unawareness that seems to have plagued this trip from the beginning?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not clear from viewing this video whether or not Mr Brundridge <em>himself </em>voiced opposition to the bill &#8212; or if the statement was issued by someone else at International Healing Foundation on <em>behalf</em> of IHF.   </p>
<p>According to her commentary, IHF didn&#8217;t know the Bill even <em>existed</em> until after her staff emailed them a copy.  Could they be that out of touch?  I suppose it is <em>possible&#8230;</em></p>
<p>And, Don was apparently somewhat unaware of the Exodus letter until a couple of days or so ago   &#8212; but agreed to sign it once he saw it.   Why wasn&#8217;t he included in the drafting of it?  Or was he?  Apparently, he had been traveling for several weeks and was not fully aware of the Exodus letter being discussed, drafted, signed and mailed to the President of Uganda.   </p>
<p>Considering the international outcry, It seems odd that he would not have been more <em>in</em> touch &#8212; even when traveling &#8212; especially with the wide use and availability of email, cell-phones, etc.  </p>
<p>I am not saying he couldn&#8217;t have been that disconnected from what Exodus was doing in the aftermath of his trip, it just seems odd that he would be &#8212; especially now.  </p>
<p>How does the Exodus Board keep each other informed and in the loop &#8212; especially in urgent matters such as these?  30 years ago, Exodus Board members did not have cell phones or high-speed internet.  It took some time for letters and proposals to go back and forth by mail.  Keeping each other aware and informed should be much easier now.</p>
<p>I guess what I am saying is that it seems like a lot of unawareness going on.  Could this be reflective of the unawareness that seems to have plagued this trip from the beginning?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rachel Maddow comments (sarcastically) on the Bill  -- and on the recent statements made by what &lt;em&gt;she&lt;/em&gt; refers to as -- &quot;the three anti-gay activists&quot; who &quot;inspired&quot; the &quot;Kill the Gays Bill&quot;. 



Wow.  Her &lt;em&gt;anti-ex-gay &lt;/em&gt;bias is very obvious, but she &lt;em&gt;does &lt;/em&gt;report that all three men have recently expressed opposition to the Bill.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34249049]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Maddow comments (sarcastically) on the Bill  &#8212; and on the recent statements made by what <em>she</em> refers to as &#8212; &#8220;the three anti-gay activists&#8221; who &#8220;inspired&#8221; the &#8220;Kill the Gays Bill&#8221;. </p>
<p>Wow.  Her <em>anti-ex-gay </em>bias is very obvious, but she <em>does </em>report that all three men have recently expressed opposition to the Bill.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34249049" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34249049</a></p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Would they dine with those who serve unclean food?

&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Mary,



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Would they dine with those who serve unclean food?</p>
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<p>Mary,</p>
<p> 🙂  🙂  🙂</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if they would all be smiling as much if they were sitting at my dining table =-0&lt;/blockquote&gt;LOL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if they would all be smiling as much if they were sitting at my dining table =-0</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL</p>
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