However, religious figures who are hard-line supports of the bill, such as Oyet, Ssempa & others, do receive support for many other aspects of their ministries not at all related to or intended for the oppression of gays and lesbians and yet that benign support most assuredly allows them to continue their more sinister endeavors of oppression. And that has been the very point of many of the posts by Dr Throckmorton.

Well said.

Maazi…. I am sure that Kampala-based pro-gay puppet advocacy groups receive money from their foreign sponsors which is probably 20 times more than the amount gifted to the evangelicals by their own foreign friends. Pro-gay puppet advocates even have the support of key Western governments and a bevy of compromised international agencies.

Prove it. Gays the world over may have the support of several GLBT organizations in the west, but I very much doubt the monetary support is anywhere near the monetary contribuations by mainline, evangelical or pentacostal religious sects. Your gay-money meme is most likely a made-up factoid of the local anti-gays.

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I know I have never donated any monies to any gay organization which listed any overseas organization as a receiver of their aid in their financial statements. I have however given to Catholic organizations which support the building of schools & hospitals, aiding agriculture and digging water wells in African countries with Catholic populations.

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Now I suspect that most funds to the religious are given to mostly support agriculture, and building schools, hospitals, and churches. Religious aid organizations in the Americas, Australia and Europe generally don’t hand out money to oppress or imprison people concerning their freedom of speech or their love interests and that includes gays and lesbians. Even the ministry Exodus International which deals in helping gays and lesbians live in accord with Biblical traditions does not support laws denying free speech or imprisoning gays for their sexuality as the Bahati bill does. But then so also, neither does the Roman Catholic Church.

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However, religious figures who are hard-line supports of the bill, such as Oyet, Ssempa & others, do receive support for many other aspects of their ministries not at all related to or intended for the oppression of gays and lesbians and yet that benign support most assuredly allows them to continue their more sinister endeavors of oppression. And that has been the very point of many of the posts by Dr Throckmorton.

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I guess I cant stop getting angry at all this.I mean, didnt know how perverse the influence was. Didnt know how deep it all went. But, it is a matter of fact that this is all too believable. These things do happen in Uganda.

Mr Gay Uganda,

Please stop expressing fake indignation. I am sure that Kampala-based pro-gay puppet advocacy groups receive money from their foreign sponsors which is probably 20 times more than the amount gifted to the evangelicals by their own foreign friends. Pro-gay puppet advocates even have the support of key Western governments and a bevy of compromised international agencies. So your own side of the gay struggle is even better equipped materially to fight the anti-gay side. You know as well as I do that even if outsiders were not involved in supporting or opposing gayism, it will still be strongly resisted by the Ugandan people (and by extension, most Africans). This is the reason that the less materially endowed anti-gay side will win eventually. I am not even an evangelical, but I strongly identify with popular wish to remove your poisonous ideology from the limited public space that it currently occupies. Please enjoy the spotlight while it lasts. I hope your friends in the Euro-American Gay Lobby are preparing a nice pad for you in San Francisco because you may need it in the future. Enough said for now…

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Warren, you’ve come a long way. You’ve maintained your integrity. Some who in the past you have “hung out” with professionally, and with excellent reasons for doing that, never had any to begin with. I know that you know that now, but I think that you still would like to disbelieve the scale of the problem. I know I’d like to disbelieve it too, I have an irrational faith that most people, even those I most disagree with, are genuinely trying to do the right thing as they see it. But sometimes the evidence that they’re not is overwhelming.

The rabid homophobia comes first: they then use whatever reasoning is most convenient, be it religious or otherwise, to justify that. That means twisting Christian teaching into pretzels at times. But because they’re seen as “christian”, they get support from the genuine variety, some of whom should know better. I don’t mean you, I mean many in various established churches.

Warren, I know that we don’t agree on everything going on within the “gay debate” but thank you for what you do.

David

As president of Exodus, Alan Chambers does not appear to be fully in charge nor make all the policy of the ministry.

I think even Alan might agree with that. Someone once compared his job to “herding cats”. 🙂

Eddy…… Actually…..

When I googled “Howard Ahmanson Exodus” in search of his alleged ‘funding’ role, I happened on the same quote that you furnished on the other thread and thought that it was far more applicable on this one! Go, Google, Go!

I found and posted that comment back in March. It doesn’t mean that someone’s stated public views cannot mask a different privately-held view.

Eddy….. BTW: How does passenger know that Africa is ‘a big focus’ for Exodus? How does passenger know that Exodus wants to keep Uganda ‘anti-gay’?

That would be because all of it came out of the mouth of Don Schmierer while they flew across the Atlantic. Didn’t you read what the man wrote about his experience with Schmierer. Schmierer apparently even gifted the guy with his book; so they had a discussion that went to some depth about homosexuality, Exodus, and Africa.

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Howard Ahmanson gives money to Exodus. Don Schmierer is a Program Officer at Howard Ahmanson’s Fieldstead & Company. Don Schmierer is on the board of Exodus International. Don Schmierer is the money-man’s man on the Exodus board. Howard Ahmanson was providing the funds to Nigeria’s Akinola and Uganda’s Orombi to destabilize the Episcopal Church in America (aka ECUSA) and attempted take-overs of Church properties, including his former church in California which failed in the courts (Ahmanson supposedly now attends a Presbyterian Church). Howard Ahmanson has been concerned with matters in Africa for the 5-10 years.

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Don Schmierer is a devotee of Scott Lively’s and likely so too, is Howard Ahmanson. That is circumstantial evidence as to why the reference to The Pink Swastika was on the Exodus website. Question: would Alan Chambers have ever had put that book on the Exodus site as a reference? My answer is, ‘I don’t think so.’

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As president of Exodus, Alan Chambers does not appear to be fully in charge nor make all the policy of the ministry. He could be nothing but a figurehead, a ‘former homosexual,’ who can stand up in America and make his case and say they are not out to change anyone who doesn’t want to be change. He can claim not to be political. But there are others in Exodus International who will be covertly political, if not in America, then on other continents, such as Africa. They believe Lively’s Pink Swastika to be true; in other words, they elevate a lie into their needful truth and there is only one reason for that.

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I’m sure if you asked them, people at Exodus would say they are one medium-sized, happy family; however, this information seems to say that there exists in Exodus a split between the mildly-conservative ‘former homosexuals’ and the more staunchly conservative people who hold the purse strings.

How does passenger know that Africa is ‘a big focus’ for Exodus? How does passenger know that Exodus wants to keep Uganda ‘anti-gay’?

Good points. I seriously doubt that Exodus wants to “keep Uganda anti-gay”. I think the trip was misguided, but well-intentioned — I think he probably wanted to share hope for the struggling homosexual that change is possible — and that he really was kinda clueless about “what was on the ground” there. I think they know better now and I pray that they will be much more cautious. I think they will be.