Wayne is especially gifted at this form of communication…

Kind of like the McLaughlin group….

ELEANOR!

PAT!

bye, BYE!

Really, Wayne, look in the mirror.

Debbie says: Bottom line,They have a right to exist and the liberal establishment does not get to define “doing harm.”

You are so right Debbie. It is the survivors bearing the mental scars, few of whom belonged to the “liberal establishment” at the time of their so-called therapy who have a right to define “harm.” I find it sad that you see everything through the jaded lens of liberal vs. conservative politics. You have reduced life and the experiences of such victims to a rerun of “Crossfire”.

No, Wayne. I don’t and I haven’t. You read selectively, as usual. I am not out to defend what is indefensible in NARTH. I merely pointed out that they have a valid raison d’etre. So does TWO, by the way. The one has conservative underpinnings while the other has liberal. I didn’t make it that way. And APA has a decidedly liberal political bent. I don’t go “high and right” just because you may disagree with me.

You are so right Debbie. It is the survivors bearing the mental scars, few of whom belonged to the “liberal establishment” at the time of their so-called therapy who have a right to define “harm.” I find it sad that you see everything through the jaded lens of liberal vs. conservative politics. You have reduced life and the experiences of such victims to a rerun of “Crossfire”.