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	Comments on: Uganda&#8217;s Anti-Homosexuality Bill sponsors selected for &#8220;servant leadership team&#8221;	</title>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frank.... I don&#039;t believe that a second.  Afterall the stated position of the Catholic Church is that homosexual conduct should be decriminalized.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank&#8230;. I don&#8217;t believe that a second.  Afterall the stated position of the Catholic Church is that homosexual conduct should be decriminalized.</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lynn David,



The from the CDF defining the phrase &quot;unjust discrimination&quot; is a position paper written for Cardinal Ratzinger on how to JUSTIFY various forms of discrimination against homosexuals.  In this context, &quot;every sign of unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons should be avoided&quot; pretty much means: &quot;When you beat them, make sure you don&#039;t leave visible marks.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn David,</p>
<p>The from the CDF defining the phrase &#8220;unjust discrimination&#8221; is a position paper written for Cardinal Ratzinger on how to JUSTIFY various forms of discrimination against homosexuals.  In this context, &#8220;every sign of unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons should be avoided&#8221; pretty much means: &#8220;When you beat them, make sure you don&#8217;t leave visible marks.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So conservative Anglicans are supporting this pogrom.  This would seem to be a public relations disaster for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So conservative Anglicans are supporting this pogrom.  This would seem to be a public relations disaster for them.</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unifying a nation of Lutherans and Catholics around their common antisemitism worked, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unifying a nation of Lutherans and Catholics around their common antisemitism worked, too.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cultural and religious underpinnings:



Explicitly condemning and criminalizing Same Sex behavior may be a means of unifying a country equally split between Sunni Muslims and Christians...



Fundamentalists on both sides would agree.



The enemy of my enemy is my friend.



I think this is another reason this legislation will pass.



(forgive me if someone has already made this point elsewhere).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cultural and religious underpinnings:</p>
<p>Explicitly condemning and criminalizing Same Sex behavior may be a means of unifying a country equally split between Sunni Muslims and Christians&#8230;</p>
<p>Fundamentalists on both sides would agree.</p>
<p>The enemy of my enemy is my friend.</p>
<p>I think this is another reason this legislation will pass.</p>
<p>(forgive me if someone has already made this point elsewhere).</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow - it never fails to amaze me how religion is constantly used to debase and criminalize those groups of people that its followers do not like/agree with.  It makes me ashamed to be a Christian sometimes and only adds fodder to those who are already suspicious of that religion. Is this the &quot;fruit&quot; we are producing?  I can&#039;t believe there are Christians out there supporting this &quot;Bill&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; it never fails to amaze me how religion is constantly used to debase and criminalize those groups of people that its followers do not like/agree with.  It makes me ashamed to be a Christian sometimes and only adds fodder to those who are already suspicious of that religion. Is this the &#8220;fruit&#8221; we are producing?  I can&#8217;t believe there are Christians out there supporting this &#8220;Bill&#8221;</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ann....&lt;/strong&gt; I am not sure what he means by recruiting – I have observed that the word, used in this context, could also mean to endorse rather than object to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s not what Orombi meant nor is it what my own state senator meant when he wrote in a 2004 flyer to voters here that &quot;gays recruit.&quot;  I&#039;m sorry you cannot see the lies these people try to proliferate about gay people.  Let me put it to you this way.  If Orombi doesn&#039;t mean that older gay men are defiling youngsters in order to make them homosexual, then why doesn&#039;t he explain it - because that is exactly the knowledge spreading in Uganda among the people.   If you don&#039;t believe that read the Facebook group in support of the bill.   Orombi either lies in fact or lies by omission of speaking the truth.

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BTW.... my post was more about the &quot;watchmen on the wall&quot; phrase as Lively has been associated with the Watchmen on the Walls group, &lt;a href=&quot;http://wweek.com/editorial/3313/8513/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for instance when Lively tried to resurrect the OCA&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Lively&#039;s reason to believe the OCA could return from dormancy to its glory days of the early 1990s, when it claimed to have more than 3,400 members and earned national notice for getting anti-gay measures on the state ballot, are immigrants from the former Soviet Union who haven&#039;t yet been indoctrinated by American culture. 

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&quot;There is a fairly sizable Russian population in Portland who is not poisoned to the OCA. That&#039;s a good place to start,&quot; Lively says. &quot;They weren&#039;t poisoned by the sexual revolution.&quot; 

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Lively, a longtime OCA leader, introduced five members from the group the Watchmen on the Walls—an international network of Christian activists dedicated to fighting what it calls &quot;the homosexual agenda&quot;—to show a video of their movement in parts of the former Soviet Union. 

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The 45-minute video, which repeatedly refers to homosexuals as &quot;terrorists,&quot; shows how conservative Latvians successfully stopped gays from marching in their capital, Riga. (European news reports show anti-gay demonstrators throwing feces on the gays.) 

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The video also features Alexei Ledyaev—a Kazakhstan-born Baptist pastor and leader of the New Generation Church, whose satellite broadcasts claim an audience of more than 200 million people—leading large crowds in chants of &quot;In the name of Jesus Christ, we curse the name of homosexuality!&quot; 

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As OCA members cheered the video and chanted, &quot;Amen,&quot; I tried not to laugh out loud at the one-sided images, which portrayed gay men as leather-clad deviants, whipping and licking one another in public. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Ann&#8230;.</strong> I am not sure what he means by recruiting – I have observed that the word, used in this context, could also mean to endorse rather than object to.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not what Orombi meant nor is it what my own state senator meant when he wrote in a 2004 flyer to voters here that &#8220;gays recruit.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sorry you cannot see the lies these people try to proliferate about gay people.  Let me put it to you this way.  If Orombi doesn&#8217;t mean that older gay men are defiling youngsters in order to make them homosexual, then why doesn&#8217;t he explain it &#8211; because that is exactly the knowledge spreading in Uganda among the people.   If you don&#8217;t believe that read the Facebook group in support of the bill.   Orombi either lies in fact or lies by omission of speaking the truth.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;. my post was more about the &#8220;watchmen on the wall&#8221; phrase as Lively has been associated with the Watchmen on the Walls group, <a href="http://wweek.com/editorial/3313/8513/" rel="nofollow">for instance when Lively tried to resurrect the OCA</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Lively&#8217;s reason to believe the OCA could return from dormancy to its glory days of the early 1990s, when it claimed to have more than 3,400 members and earned national notice for getting anti-gay measures on the state ballot, are immigrants from the former Soviet Union who haven&#8217;t yet been indoctrinated by American culture. </p>
<p>.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a fairly sizable Russian population in Portland who is not poisoned to the OCA. That&#8217;s a good place to start,&#8221; Lively says. &#8220;They weren&#8217;t poisoned by the sexual revolution.&#8221; </p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Lively, a longtime OCA leader, introduced five members from the group the Watchmen on the Walls—an international network of Christian activists dedicated to fighting what it calls &#8220;the homosexual agenda&#8221;—to show a video of their movement in parts of the former Soviet Union. </p>
<p>.</p>
<p>The 45-minute video, which repeatedly refers to homosexuals as &#8220;terrorists,&#8221; shows how conservative Latvians successfully stopped gays from marching in their capital, Riga. (European news reports show anti-gay demonstrators throwing feces on the gays.) </p>
<p>.</p>
<p>The video also features Alexei Ledyaev—a Kazakhstan-born Baptist pastor and leader of the New Generation Church, whose satellite broadcasts claim an audience of more than 200 million people—leading large crowds in chants of &#8220;In the name of Jesus Christ, we curse the name of homosexuality!&#8221; </p>
<p>.</p>
<p>As OCA members cheered the video and chanted, &#8220;Amen,&#8221; I tried not to laugh out loud at the one-sided images, which portrayed gay men as leather-clad deviants, whipping and licking one another in public. </p></blockquote>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The concept yes, but beyond that no. Are you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Yes, I will write you tomorrow or Monday - late right now leaving for the airport  =-0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The concept yes, but beyond that no. Are you?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I will write you tomorrow or Monday &#8211; late right now leaving for the airport  =-0</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann - The concept yes, but beyond that no. Are you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann &#8211; The concept yes, but beyond that no. Are you?</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. Throckmorton,



Are you familiar with Servant Leadership?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Throckmorton,</p>
<p>Are you familiar with Servant Leadership?</p>
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