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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/25/father-son-estrangement-a-straight-guy-problem/#comment-33363&quot;&gt;Denver&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;[O]nly all homosexuals have broken relationships with their fathers ...&quot;



I really do not see how a statement such as this can be made.  From what I&#039;ve seen of &#039;life&#039;, it looks definitively false to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/25/father-son-estrangement-a-straight-guy-problem/#comment-33363">Denver</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;[O]nly all homosexuals have broken relationships with their fathers &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I really do not see how a statement such as this can be made.  From what I&#8217;ve seen of &#8216;life&#8217;, it looks definitively false to me.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 02:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/25/father-son-estrangement-a-straight-guy-problem/#comment-33363&quot;&gt;Denver&lt;/a&gt;.

Denver - In God we trust, all others must bring data. What did you bring?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/25/father-son-estrangement-a-straight-guy-problem/#comment-33363">Denver</a>.</p>
<p>Denver &#8211; In God we trust, all others must bring data. What did you bring?</p>
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		By: Denver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 02:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again, I agree with FG68: only all homosexuals have broken relationships with their fathers, while the reverse is not true. The problem is really that of the straight father who failed to bond with his son, and, unlike a simple father-son fallout, this bonding failure is long-lasting and pervasive (speaking from personal experience). Nevertherless, I do think that there are several routes to homosexuality, this father-son bonding failure not being the only one, but one of the major ones definitely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I agree with FG68: only all homosexuals have broken relationships with their fathers, while the reverse is not true. The problem is really that of the straight father who failed to bond with his son, and, unlike a simple father-son fallout, this bonding failure is long-lasting and pervasive (speaking from personal experience). Nevertherless, I do think that there are several routes to homosexuality, this father-son bonding failure not being the only one, but one of the major ones definitely.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fg68at - I understand your point but Nicolosi does make claims about straights as well when he says:



&lt;blockquote&gt;In other words, that fact remains that if you traumatize a child in a particular way you will create a homosexual condition. If you do not traumatize a child, he will be heterosexual. If you do not traumatize a child in a particular way, he will be heterosexual. The nature of that trauma is an early attachment break during the bonding phase with the father.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I can disconfirm this. My family was the classic triadic family. I am straight, with never a gay moment in my life. I grew up in a neighborhood with classic triadic families. Few families did not look like what Nicolosi describes (one who didn&#039;t is gay); my three best friends in childhood (who are all straight) had the classic triadic family. This may be a composite memory but this description is typical of my memories of one of the guys. I have a recollection of him telling me he had to come home early because his mom was worried about him. I went home with him and his mom and dad were sitting in the living room. My friend asked if we could walk over to another friend&#039;s house. The dad was reading the paper and then left the room. The mom looked distraught and said that he would have to be home by dark and wear a sweater. I learned later that the dad always left those &quot;decisions&quot; to the mom. My friend is straight. 



My experiences are not science and I get that. However, when the science is consistent with my experience, it is even more compelling. Given the life I have lived and seen in my lower-middle class neighborhood, the reparative drive theory makes little practical sense. For those SSA people, who did have that kind of life, it would make all the sense in the world. However, I hope that as a general theory, one can see that it does not fit all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fg68at &#8211; I understand your point but Nicolosi does make claims about straights as well when he says:</p>
<blockquote><p>In other words, that fact remains that if you traumatize a child in a particular way you will create a homosexual condition. If you do not traumatize a child, he will be heterosexual. If you do not traumatize a child in a particular way, he will be heterosexual. The nature of that trauma is an early attachment break during the bonding phase with the father.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can disconfirm this. My family was the classic triadic family. I am straight, with never a gay moment in my life. I grew up in a neighborhood with classic triadic families. Few families did not look like what Nicolosi describes (one who didn&#8217;t is gay); my three best friends in childhood (who are all straight) had the classic triadic family. This may be a composite memory but this description is typical of my memories of one of the guys. I have a recollection of him telling me he had to come home early because his mom was worried about him. I went home with him and his mom and dad were sitting in the living room. My friend asked if we could walk over to another friend&#8217;s house. The dad was reading the paper and then left the room. The mom looked distraught and said that he would have to be home by dark and wear a sweater. I learned later that the dad always left those &#8220;decisions&#8221; to the mom. My friend is straight. </p>
<p>My experiences are not science and I get that. However, when the science is consistent with my experience, it is even more compelling. Given the life I have lived and seen in my lower-middle class neighborhood, the reparative drive theory makes little practical sense. For those SSA people, who did have that kind of life, it would make all the sense in the world. However, I hope that as a general theory, one can see that it does not fit all.</p>
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		By: Fg68at		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;but I reason that if the father-son disruption theme was so tied to homosexuality, I would find homosexuality in the sons&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When i have Nicolosi correct in my mind: You don&#039;t should make a reverse thinking.Father-son-problems can lead to many different dificilities or to no difficilities. Only all homosexuals have a broken father-son-relationship. Not reverse.You can only cancel Nicolosis Theory with a gay with a good father-son-relationship. But i&#039;m sure, he will find brokeness. And not a mother can tell him this, because: Why is the father not here? Then he is not interested, he had a broken father-son-relationship. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but I reason that if the father-son disruption theme was so tied to homosexuality, I would find homosexuality in the sons</p></blockquote>
<p>When i have Nicolosi correct in my mind: You don&#8217;t should make a reverse thinking.Father-son-problems can lead to many different dificilities or to no difficilities. Only all homosexuals have a broken father-son-relationship. Not reverse.You can only cancel Nicolosis Theory with a gay with a good father-son-relationship. But i&#8217;m sure, he will find brokeness. And not a mother can tell him this, because: Why is the father not here? Then he is not interested, he had a broken father-son-relationship. 🙂</p>
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