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	Comments on: Discover article on sexual orientation change and the APA report	</title>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m happier that you&#039;re revealing your true judgemental colors...most certainly. You see, Timothy, you&#039;ve been trying to allude that Gagnon coined (or now adopted) the term &#039;homosexualist&#039; to  &#039;really express his contempt&#039; for gay people. (The &#039;for gay people&#039; is inferred by the phrase &#039;virulently anti-gay&#039;.) But, it ain&#039;t so. Oh, I doubt you&#039;ll ever admit it but that doesn&#039;t change the very apparent truth. 



The apparent truth is that a term &#039;Christianist&#039; was coined to refer to conservative Christian political activists...the perceived &#039;other side&#039; in this great war of polarization. Someone responded with the term &#039;homosexualist&#039; to refer, not to gays in general, but to gay activists. A very practical move. HOMOSEXUAL activIST. Makes sense...easily understood...except by those who want to make something more out of it than what is there. Contempt (the same contempt that you hold for him?) might be inferred but only a true judge and reader of hearts and minds could say that contempt was behind his usage. 



I&#039;ve just googled his usage of &#039;homosexualist&#039; and of the terms &#039;homosexual&#039; and homosexuality&#039;. In every instance I could find, &#039;homosexualist&#039; was always used to refer to those actively involved in advancing a homosexual agenda...not once in reference to a gay individual. It clearly means &#039;activist&#039;. And, as further support for this notion of mine, he hasn&#039;t stopped using the other terms when he is speaking of an individual or of the behavior. 



I&#039;ll stand by my claim that you presented an allegation as fact, dodged when questioned, and that you inserted a judgement that isn&#039;t supported by anything other than your personal opinion. The fact that Gagnon has &#039;taken you on&#039; at various times probably has nothing at all to do with your vehement and unrelenting judgement of him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happier that you&#8217;re revealing your true judgemental colors&#8230;most certainly. You see, Timothy, you&#8217;ve been trying to allude that Gagnon coined (or now adopted) the term &#8216;homosexualist&#8217; to  &#8216;really express his contempt&#8217; for gay people. (The &#8216;for gay people&#8217; is inferred by the phrase &#8216;virulently anti-gay&#8217;.) But, it ain&#8217;t so. Oh, I doubt you&#8217;ll ever admit it but that doesn&#8217;t change the very apparent truth. </p>
<p>The apparent truth is that a term &#8216;Christianist&#8217; was coined to refer to conservative Christian political activists&#8230;the perceived &#8216;other side&#8217; in this great war of polarization. Someone responded with the term &#8216;homosexualist&#8217; to refer, not to gays in general, but to gay activists. A very practical move. HOMOSEXUAL activIST. Makes sense&#8230;easily understood&#8230;except by those who want to make something more out of it than what is there. Contempt (the same contempt that you hold for him?) might be inferred but only a true judge and reader of hearts and minds could say that contempt was behind his usage. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just googled his usage of &#8216;homosexualist&#8217; and of the terms &#8216;homosexual&#8217; and homosexuality&#8217;. In every instance I could find, &#8216;homosexualist&#8217; was always used to refer to those actively involved in advancing a homosexual agenda&#8230;not once in reference to a gay individual. It clearly means &#8216;activist&#8217;. And, as further support for this notion of mine, he hasn&#8217;t stopped using the other terms when he is speaking of an individual or of the behavior. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stand by my claim that you presented an allegation as fact, dodged when questioned, and that you inserted a judgement that isn&#8217;t supported by anything other than your personal opinion. The fact that Gagnon has &#8216;taken you on&#8217; at various times probably has nothing at all to do with your vehement and unrelenting judgement of him.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/09/discover-article-on-sexual-orientation-change-and-the-apa-report/#comment-32905</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddy,



I still think Gagnon coined the phrase but I&#039;m not married to the word &quot;coined&quot;.  



Perhaps you&#039;ll be happier with



&lt;blockquote&gt;Gene,



You are mistaken about Gagnon. He is so virulently anti-gay that he &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;adopted &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;a new term “homosexualist” to really express his contempt.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<p>I still think Gagnon coined the phrase but I&#8217;m not married to the word &#8220;coined&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;ll be happier with</p>
<blockquote><p>Gene,</p>
<p>You are mistaken about Gagnon. He is so virulently anti-gay that he <strong><em>adopted </em></strong>a new term “homosexualist” to really express his contempt.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, Timothy, I&#039;m obsessed with the fact that you declared it to be a fact...without support...that you added personal judgement of a person to it...that when questioned about it, you simply didn&#039;t answer...that when questioned about it yet again on this thread, you demonstrated amazing dancing abilities. 



Here&#039;s what started it all: You were straightening Gene Chase out...just as you so faithfully straighten everybody out who differs in opinion from you. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;Gene,



You are mistaken about Gagnon. He is so virulently anti-gay that he coined a new term “homosexualist” to really express his contempt.&lt;/blockquote&gt;





This &#039;fact&#039; was used to &lt;em&gt;correct&lt;/em&gt; someone. You gave it the significance of being your lead statement. You gave it a paragraph all to itself. And, it seems that it wasn&#039;t a fact at all. I think that really sucks. 



There&#039;s no secret that you and I have had our moments but, in the back of my mind, there was always this voice that said &#039;but at least he&#039;s honest...I can deal with that&#039;. You&#039;ve been so dazzling so many times with facts, with stats, with links...that I never thought to check for veracity. Now that I know that I need to, I&#039;m tempted to consider your posts as &#039;not worth the effort&#039;. Even this overstatement on your part could have been dismissed quickly...by admitting that it was a presumption rather than a proven fact when originally challenged or in the first challenge in this thread...but you chose to dodge instead and further diminished my respect for you. 



LOL. You and yours continually challenge Exodus and ex-gays re their terminology yet look how you now dance. To coin a word has a very specific meaning and it&#039;s different from &#039;popularized&#039;. First you said he coined the term and now you (somewhat snarkily) say &quot;perhaps he wasn&#039;t the first person on the planet to string those letters together in that order&quot;. Oh, my bad, my very very bad. To get an answer to a simple challenge about a fact, I first have to endure several bouts of snarkiness and slurs. 



 As I said in one of my posts (or at least I meant to), it&#039;s ironic that you accuse Gagnon of expressing his utter contempt; tell me, sir, from your combination of non-responses, aversive responses and snarky responses,  what do you think I&#039;m feeling from you? (Rhetorical question in case that wasn&#039;t clear. I currently have no desire for anymore pearls from you.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Timothy, I&#8217;m obsessed with the fact that you declared it to be a fact&#8230;without support&#8230;that you added personal judgement of a person to it&#8230;that when questioned about it, you simply didn&#8217;t answer&#8230;that when questioned about it yet again on this thread, you demonstrated amazing dancing abilities. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what started it all: You were straightening Gene Chase out&#8230;just as you so faithfully straighten everybody out who differs in opinion from you. </p>
<blockquote><p>Gene,</p>
<p>You are mistaken about Gagnon. He is so virulently anti-gay that he coined a new term “homosexualist” to really express his contempt.</p></blockquote>
<p>This &#8216;fact&#8217; was used to <em>correct</em> someone. You gave it the significance of being your lead statement. You gave it a paragraph all to itself. And, it seems that it wasn&#8217;t a fact at all. I think that really sucks. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no secret that you and I have had our moments but, in the back of my mind, there was always this voice that said &#8216;but at least he&#8217;s honest&#8230;I can deal with that&#8217;. You&#8217;ve been so dazzling so many times with facts, with stats, with links&#8230;that I never thought to check for veracity. Now that I know that I need to, I&#8217;m tempted to consider your posts as &#8216;not worth the effort&#8217;. Even this overstatement on your part could have been dismissed quickly&#8230;by admitting that it was a presumption rather than a proven fact when originally challenged or in the first challenge in this thread&#8230;but you chose to dodge instead and further diminished my respect for you. </p>
<p>LOL. You and yours continually challenge Exodus and ex-gays re their terminology yet look how you now dance. To coin a word has a very specific meaning and it&#8217;s different from &#8216;popularized&#8217;. First you said he coined the term and now you (somewhat snarkily) say &#8220;perhaps he wasn&#8217;t the first person on the planet to string those letters together in that order&#8221;. Oh, my bad, my very very bad. To get an answer to a simple challenge about a fact, I first have to endure several bouts of snarkiness and slurs. </p>
<p> As I said in one of my posts (or at least I meant to), it&#8217;s ironic that you accuse Gagnon of expressing his utter contempt; tell me, sir, from your combination of non-responses, aversive responses and snarky responses,  what do you think I&#8217;m feeling from you? (Rhetorical question in case that wasn&#8217;t clear. I currently have no desire for anymore pearls from you.)</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/09/discover-article-on-sexual-orientation-change-and-the-apa-report/#comment-32903</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddy,



You seem obsessed over whether Gagnon coined the phrase homosexualist.  



I do not know that he was the &lt;strong&gt;first person on the planet&lt;/strong&gt; to use that string of alphabetical characters.  I don&#039;t even know whether he was the first to assign it the meaning with which he uses the term.



But I do know that he is, to the best of my knowledge, the first person in the anti-gay activist community of which I am aware, that adopted the word as part of their constant vocabulary and used it in replacement of either &quot;gay&quot; or &quot;homosexual&quot; and who has assigned pejorative associations to the term.



If your complaint is that I said he &quot;coined&quot; the phrase rather than &quot;adopted the constant usage&quot; of the phrase, well then you win a jelly bean.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<p>You seem obsessed over whether Gagnon coined the phrase homosexualist.  </p>
<p>I do not know that he was the <strong>first person on the planet</strong> to use that string of alphabetical characters.  I don&#8217;t even know whether he was the first to assign it the meaning with which he uses the term.</p>
<p>But I do know that he is, to the best of my knowledge, the first person in the anti-gay activist community of which I am aware, that adopted the word as part of their constant vocabulary and used it in replacement of either &#8220;gay&#8221; or &#8220;homosexual&#8221; and who has assigned pejorative associations to the term.</p>
<p>If your complaint is that I said he &#8220;coined&#8221; the phrase rather than &#8220;adopted the constant usage&#8221; of the phrase, well then you win a jelly bean.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Timothy--

I could find no dates in your reference nor did it seem to be the source of the actual coining of the term &#039;homosexualist&#039; that you ascribed to Gagnon. You do seem to be going to extremes to avoid saying &#039;Oh, I needed something to use as a rebuttal to Gene Chase so I made up both the fact that Robert Gagnon coined the term &#039;homosexualist&#039; and his reason for doing so.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy&#8211;</p>
<p>I could find no dates in your reference nor did it seem to be the source of the actual coining of the term &#8216;homosexualist&#8217; that you ascribed to Gagnon. You do seem to be going to extremes to avoid saying &#8216;Oh, I needed something to use as a rebuttal to Gene Chase so I made up both the fact that Robert Gagnon coined the term &#8216;homosexualist&#8217; and his reason for doing so.&#8217;</p>
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