No problem…I just think that if I scanned the article correctly, it is a piece of advocacy masquerading as science,,,

As I said earlier…I thought we were trying to avoid that kind of misinformation.

I am choosing to disengage for a time and will not be participating in the conversation here at this site

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Tim, it seems like several of us are disengaging. Might get mighty quiet around Throck for awhile. Fewer of us to stir the pot.

This seems similar to Ann’s comment:

I realized I was not being effective and that perhaps the timing was not propicious to continue.

And similiar to what I have been feeling. You start to question your use of time and energy. Is it time to add it up and take account of the things where we do agree? Is it tIme for concensus? Or have we gone about as far as we can go with this?

I appologize for not responding to the questions you have addressed to me. I am choosing to disengage for a time and will not be participating in the conversation here at this site.

Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only what is useful for building up, as there is need, so that your words may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with which you were marked with a seal for the day of redemption.

Put away from you all bitterness and wrath and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, and be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you.

Hope you all have a blessed day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpTSPFoGO-w&feature=related

Our church choir is off for the summer, so I am the soloist today — anthem and offeratory. It is a small but loving church. And, literally across the street from my house. After that, I hope to visits family and friends. It’s not like being straight, but I love them anyway. 🙂

Enjoy your day. Love the Big Easy! I can hear those saints….

I wrote that to Debbie and Eddy – two people I respect – because I realized I was not being effective and that perhaps the timing was not propicious to continue.

Regarding my plans for today – I am out of town visiting a friend 🙂 and am going to New Orleans for the day. Can you hear “When the Saints Come Marching In”?

I hope you and everyone else here has a wonderful and peaceful day.

Ok, I will not address this any more unless someone wants me to. It is not in my character or motivation to further a discussion if it is not being received well… thought it would be understood and received in the manner I presented it. I thought it would be reasoned out, not told to “knock it off”. Perhaps I am off base and will respectfully ponder that possibility

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I know your heart is in the right place, but perhaps it best to just let these things drop. Let’s talk about happy things. How was your day? Any plans for the weekend?

I could not agree with you more some of the hardest lessons are the ones that have the greatest impact on our lives, hopefully for the positive.

Michael, Reaching out to others who are disenfranchised is commendable as long as we are allowing them to find the love of God and allow them to discern Gods will for themselves without us trying to influence the direction their live should go. Are we able to accept them whether they choose gay or ex-gay on their path to finding this relationship with God?

I promise, with God’s help, that from now on, I will try not to dictate the direction they should go. I will tell my own story as truthfully and lovingly as I can — but but I will leave the influence and the direction to God.

And, yes, I will try to accept them as they walk their path towards finding their deepest personal relationship to God. That’s between them and the Holy Spirit.

I know it is going to be hard for everyone to believe, but I am done, done, done with criticizing EXODUS. It has never done any good. Im fact, I believe it was a complete waste of time. I apologize.

EXODUS must do what EXODUS believes God wants it to do. EXODUS has every right to speak, believe and act in any way it chooses. I have promised to lay off — and I will keep that promise.

Does Gods love mean that we do not challenge them if we see them doing destructive things to themselves (ie. promiscuity, drugs, alcohol, pornography, etc.) or do we just let them continue on their own path waiting for them to turn back? Just asking, I really do not know.

No. I believe that we should, as lovingly as possible, point out when the “bridge is out” ahead. I do not think it would be loving to not warn fellow travelers of the dangers of promiscuity, drugs, alcohol, pornography, etc. We can warn, but we cannot direct their choices or live their lives. Unfortunately, some life lessons have to be learned the hard way…

Ok, I will not address this any more unless someone wants me to. It is not in my character or motivation to further a discussion if it is not being received well. If I can clarify anything further, just let me know or read my original posts where I voiced a valid concern, not for myself – for others. My original intent was to identity what I know is a stumbling block for some who are thirsty for the message of Christ. I thought it would be understood and received in the manner I presented it. I thought it would be reasoned out, not told to “knock it off”. Perhaps I am off base and will respectfully ponder that possibility.

Mary and non-methaphysical Stephan,

Thank you for your responses and for understanding what I meant – both of you were right on target.