Comments on: The Pink Swastika and the Hidden Holocaust?

By: ryu238

ryu238 — Thu, 02 Jun 2022 18:22:50 +0000

Did they ever respond specifically to this?

By: RickW

RickW — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:39:28 +0000

I went to this page after reading Stein’s comments on “The Pink Triangle.” This, Warren, is exactly what I was looking for. You showed that the authors used vicious abstraction at major points in their text. Superb refutation.

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:02:58 +0000

…and by those highly personally involved.

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:02:24 +0000

I am trying to create a template, to be used by all sides in this debate, to dismantle so called authorities (speaking outside their area of expertise) so that a reasoned and thoughtful discussion is had by well informed professionals.

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:59:52 +0000

@ Timothy,

so…do you get my point, after my correction?

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:59:14 +0000

@ Timothy,

I think you make a valid point…I am trying to shape an idea and present it in multiple formats…about how information, bad information get’s out there.

In an effort to make it more generalizable and not look into the motives of others…I miss the obvious, relentless pressure exhibited by Lively to avoid, distort and obscure. Bad stuff…agreed.

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:20:29 +0000

NARTH tolerates it. They won’t speak out against Cameron. They quietly remove references to Lively — without explanation or rebuke.

Why do EXODUS and NARTH cite these folks in the first place — and then sneaklily expunge them, without strong condemnation of what they stand for, when the heat is on?

Why does the stink of holocaust revisionism hover so closely to these organizations? Why won’t they speak out with a loud, clear and unified voice against this evi? And how can they ever hope to win the trust of the gay community or the respect of the professional community?

By: Brian

Brian — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:53:47 +0000

Even assuming for the sake of argument that Lively’s position is accurate, I really have to marvel at how followers of Jesus Christ are now comfortable arguing that the mass murder of 5,000 people wasn’t that bad. After all, it wasn’t millions, and they never had their passports stamped with an “H”. So it’s a wash.

I wonder if this is a modern evolution of Christianity into an apologia for barbarism, or whether it is simply a return to the Old Testament’s approval of mass killing.

BTW, I agree with Timothy that there is definitely a form of covering going on among some of the commenters here. Lively has churned out hundreds of pages on this topic. He has pursued this obsessively since the early 1990s. It is not simply a matter of a bright man wandering outside of his area of expertise. It is a conscious, decades-long effort in Holocaust revisionism for the purpose of promoting the non sequitur that alleged gay political affiliations in 1930s Germany indict gay Americans in 2009 as Nazis.

But what’s good for the goose is good for that gander. If Ernst Roehm’s homosexuality means that I am a Nazi, then Adolf’s Eichmann’s heterosexuality means that Debbie Thurman is a Nazi. Debbie, why do you want to conquer Poland and firebomb London?

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:05:27 +0000

Debbie,

Dr. Throckmorton is reporting his analysis of Lively’s writings. He’s not being vague or eliminating specifics.

Either Dr. Throckmorton is a liar or Lively is.

I’m willing to step “outside my field of expertise” and state in no uncertain terms which one of these two men is not telling the truth.

By: Debbie Thurman

Debbie Thurman — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:45:15 +0000

At some point, the cover can become as heinous as Lively’s lies themselves. Don’t you think?

Or it could be just an honest opinion, right or wrong. I don’t know Lively and I can’t say I’m highly motivated to know him or follow his work at this point. So I am refraining from commenting on him “outside my field of expertise.”