Comments on: Jon and Kate plus 8 plus 8 plus million

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:06:20 +0000

Hmmm….

Passive vs. Controlling; doesn’t sound quite right…there is a part of marriage that is about accepting the limitations of one’s partner…but there is a part of marriage about dealing humbling with how my limitations place the marriage at risk.

The illusion in acceptance of the partner, is that the limitations we accept will not harm the marriage…They still do.

By: Mary

Mary — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:28:14 +0000

Yeah, I’d love to hear the outrage from conservative christians on this – NOT. But hey if Jon and Kate were gay you could bet on seeing it everywhere. Sadly, this is a human tragedy for the children and the spouses. No one ever goes into a marriage with the contigency plan being divorce and having 8 kids to manage and raise.

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:31:36 +0000

They used to say that if America crumbled, it would be from the inside. Same is true of heterosexual marriage. Gays pose no threat to it.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:22:45 +0000

Alas, it was as expected.

Sigh.

By: Warren

Warren — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:30:49 +0000

@David Blakeslee:

I wonder if Vegas has any odds on that one.

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:26:07 +0000

Maybe the announcement is she is pregnant again…

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:34:45 +0000

However, I lean toward the view that high profile divorces like this detract from pragmatic arguments for marriage being between a man and a woman (e.g., straights stay together longer than gays).

Warren,

I hope you’re using that as an example of an argument rather than a statement of fact.

I don’t know of good information about the length of gay relationships. Some that pretends to be is laughable.

How would one go about measuring the length of something that isn’t allowed in most states? In the next decade or so we will be able to have some measure of the length of gay relationships based on either divorce rates or domestic partnership terminations. At that point we can say that gay marriages last shorter or longer on average.

But until then it’s difficult to say. It’s hard to compare something when the way you measure it is not the same for both groups.

The Urban Institute says that “30 percent of gay and lesbian people are living in a committed relationship in the same residence.” After the 2010 census we may know whether or not that is true.

I have noticed, however, that many of the same-sex marriages that have taken place since legalization seem to be between couples that have been together for many years, sometimes many decades.

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:30:07 +0000

Warren,

No “Father’s Day” Post?

Since there is no other place to hang this, I guess I’ll just say Happy Father’s day to all the gay and straight fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers out there! That reminds me, I need to call mine too 🙂

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:53:56 +0000

Warren,

No “Father’s Day” Post?

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:27:59 +0000

A public identity creates an image, which becomes a target.

Lights, camera, make-up, tummy tucks and so on…”Action!”

What a fantasy we have made of marriage.

It is full of blessing and experiences incomparably wonderful.

Trauma, suspicion and hurt also…

Jessica Simpson espoused Christian ideals as well…

Putting a sacred rite on TV can only trivialize it…people play to the camera…commercial breaks…artificial construction of tension, conflict and resolution.

Ask any Judge in a court which has TV.